Blaming Your Spectators

Sep 3, 2007
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This is something that I have noticed people talking about doing on Penguin, and have personally witnessed at school. Blaming your spectators for your mistake. Telling them they did their part wrong, or they picked the wrong card. When the truth is, it was your fault, you screwed up, and you should take the blame.

I have a friend at school that I have known since we are like four. Recently, he started showing a real interest in magic, so I gave him a deck and a Card Guard, and got him started doing stuff. I taught him the basics, like the DL, and he advanced really quickly, so I decided, for one last thing before I pointed him to The Royal Road to Card Magic, I would teach him the Biddle Trick.

Everything went well, until the next day. As I'm sure we all know, any magician performing an effect the day after he learns it is a big no no. Now add in the fact that he just started three weeks ago, and it makes it that much worse.

We were sitting at lunch, and I was very shocked to see him pull out his cards and start performing the Biddle Trick for the girl across from him. I wasn't about to heckle him and tell him to stop, so I sat back and watched it play out.

He screwed up the effect... flashed, and the girl he was performing for immediately called him out on it. Colton denied it, and kept plowing through. He ended the trick with the reveal of the upside down card in the deck, and the girl didn't react... at all.

She told him that he didn't do very well, and she saw what he did. This put him in some kind of bad mood, and he instantly shifted the blame from him, where it belonged, to the girl... his spectator. They were arguing back and forth for about 2 minutes, Colton telling her she didn't hold the deck right, bla bla bla, and she was telling him that he just screwed up.

This went on until I finally intervened, told Colton that it was indeed his fault, and to stop blaming her. Then, later, I found out he did the same thing to another girl. I told him that he shouldn't perform an effect the day after he learns it... that he needs to put more work and practice into them, but he just responded saying that he practiced a whole lot already.

That story is not meant as an opportunity for you guys to bash me for not "teaching" him properly, as I don't really think it was my fault. It is meant solely as an example for what I'm talking about.

I have noticed this on Penguin, as well, in a discussion on what to do if you drop the cards. One guy, obviously not experienced, said to blame it on the spectators. No, no, and no!

This is not going to be lengthy, as the majority of it has been my example. But the main goal of this is NEVER BLAME YOUR SPECTATORS FOR YOUR MISTAKES! It will only ruin your reputation as a magician, and as a person.

Even when, from time to time, when it appears to everybody as if it is your spectator's fault, it is yours! For example, let's say you hand a stacked deck to your spectator, and ask them to cut the deck and look at a card. However, they shuffle up the deck first, ruining your effect. To everyone, including you, it will appear as if they ruined the effect for you, but this is not true.

It is your fault because you either 1) don't have any audience control, leading the spectator's to believe they are in control, and they can do whatever they want... including messing with your cards, 2) you simply picked a bad spectator to perform for, or 3) you didn't explain what you wanted them to do clearly enough.

The point I am stressing here is not to put yourself down when things go wrong, but to accept the blame, and move on. You can imagine how frustrating it would be to do everything correct, then when it goes wrong, have the blame automatically shifted to you.

So please, do not ever blame your spectators for your mistakes. It's another one of those things that contribute to our art not being held very high in the eyes of the public.

Thanks for reading.
 
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I think you could do this for comedic effect. You could have a spectator pick a card (card 1), then screw up and show the wrong card (card 2). Blame the spectator for picking the wrong card. Then you could move on to another trick, same spectator, and once they pick a card (card 3)tell them they're not supposed to pick that one yet. Show card 1 and say that's the one they should have had this time. Then proceed to a third trick, force card 3, and as soon as they have it just drop the cards and complain that NOW they pick that card, before revealing card 2 in some unlikely place like the spectator's wallet or something.

You know, or something like that.

But you're right, you should never really blame your spectator.
 
Sep 3, 2007
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Oh no, I think in a comedy routine it would be fine, but seriously, actually blaming your spectators for the effect not going well is a big no-no in my book.

And yes, Night, it's a sad thought. Just adds to my theory that our art is slowly spiraling downward until it will be no more. Because that didn't sound depressing...
 

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Imagine if the cast of Spamalot were to blame the audience for making them forget their lines mid-show? The magician is the only one to blame when something within their control goes wrong. Just as a heavy metal band wouldn't blame the audience for making them mess up their song, a magician shouldn't blame a spectator if they were to mess up.

Good post, adjones!
 
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Even when, from time to time, when it appears to everybody as if it is your spectator's fault, it is yours! For example, let's say you hand a stacked deck to your spectator, and ask them to cut the deck and look at a card. However, they shuffle up the deck first, ruining your effect. To everyone, including you, it will appear as if they ruined the effect for you, but this is not true.

It is your fault because you either 1) don't have any audience control, leading the spectator's to believe they are in control, and they can do whatever they want... including messing with your cards, 2) you simply picked a bad spectator to perform for, or 3) you didn't explain what you wanted them to do clearly enough.


Sorry, but This is where I can't agree.

1.Have no audience control: agreed, if you have none, and the trick screws up. Your fault.

2. You simply picked a bad spec: ok, don't agree here. Now if the guy seems nice, so you perform, and the guy screws with you. Even though you where clear on parts 1 and 3. How is that my fault? If the guys a jackass, its his fault, not mine.

Oh, I picked him, so that makes it my fault? Thats the most illogical thing I have ever heard when it comes to magic. It seems that we give the spec no response ability at all for when things go wrong. Lets say I told the spec to cut the deck, I showed him what that looked like. I was very clear on the whole thing, but he instead shuffles it. Thats my fault because I picked him? Its something any human being should be able to do.

I mean its like saying if I get in a taxi, and I tell the guy to make a left, and he makes a right. Its my fault because I chose to ride in that taxi? No, its not my fault hes an idiot. Well thats my rant.


P.S. I'm not saying I would blame my specs right out there and be like "you screwed me up" Thats very unprofessional. I would just say, never mind we will do something else. But I'm not going to hold my self responsible.
 
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One time I was in the middle of a trick where I had to force a card. I showed everyone in the room the card and nodded to make sure they would remember it. When I faced the deck toward this girl showing the card at the bottom, I nodded too long and she said the name of the card. "7 of spades, yeah."

I was like "crap." She then said "Oh I'm sorry, did I ruin the trick?"
Me: "No, it was my fault, I should have said to not name the card".
"I'll show you another one."

We the entertainers have to take blame for our mistakes. It's not our spectators fault. Many are new to seeing some magic and not sure how it's suppose to go down. That's why we have to give them directions that would be easy for them to understand.

Magician: "I'm going to do a double undercut."
Spectator: "What's a double undercut?"
Magician: "This is called an ambitious card routine"
Spectator: "Ambitious what?"

Magician: "Write the name of the card on this piece of paper." (five of hearts)
Spectator: 5 <3

You have to be in control 100%
 
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Anything that ever goes wrong in a performance... even if you cannot control it is your fault. It is never anybody's fault but your own. I suggest showing your friend this thread. Simply tell him that he will learn in time. I messed up plenty when I first started because I didn't have a magician to talk to or learn from. I was on my own. Tell your friend hes luck to know a magician because personally I would love nothing more. I wish I could just have a conversation about magic with one. Just a simple conversation. Anyway, tell your friend that he must practice practice practice. It is what makes a magician a good one. I still have trouble with this concept thinking that I can do something before I can, however I act mature and I realize that I am only setting myself up for failure. Tell these things to your friend and tell him that until he admits it is his own fault, you will simply not teach him any effects until he admits it and sounds like he means it.

-Doug
 
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Anything that ever goes wrong in a performance... even if you cannot control it is your fault.
-Doug

So if I'm doing a trick for the spec and someone loses control of there car and hits them...thats my fault? I think everyone here needs to rethink some things.
 
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So if I'm doing a trick for the spec and someone loses control of there car and hits them...thats my fault? I think everyone here needs to rethink some things.

Never really thought of that :p Ok let me rephrase that. Anything that makes you mess up a trick... wait... ok nevermind.... man....

-Doug....

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*sigh*....
 
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I think someone hitting them with a car is taking it WAY out of proportion. We're talking about something that makes the outcome of the effect wrong. That means it goes wrong, but the whole effect is performed. Again, it is your fault if anything goes wrong... DO NOT blame your spectators. Hecklers... your fault for not being able to control them.
 
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I think someone hitting them with a car is taking it WAY out of proportion. We're talking about something that makes the outcome of the effect wrong. That means it goes wrong, but the whole effect is performed. Again, it is your fault if anything goes wrong... DO NOT blame your spectators. Hecklers... your fault for not being able to control them.


Ok, I just want to know what you have to say to this.

Magician "I would like you to cut the deck into the middle just like so"

*cuts the deck, shows spec what it looks like*

*gives deck to spec.

*spec shuffles it*

*you stare blankly*

lol, ok so who's fault is it?

Looks like to me the spec is an idiot. Not a nice thing to say, but the spec is not real, so I can do that. But what do you think?
 
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Your fault. Apparently you didn't explain very well, or you didn't hold their attention while you were explaining, so they didn't know what to do... or you simply picked a bad person to perform for. Still your fault.
 
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Your fault. Apparently you didn't explain very well, or you didn't hold their attention while you were explaining, so they didn't know what to do... or you simply picked a bad person to perform for. Still your fault.


I just can't disagree with you more. I'm sitting there talking to them, they are staring at me, I told them what to do, I showed them what to do. If the spec has no brains and gets lost in thought thinking about the lasted gossip news or what ever the heck they are thinking about, I have no control over it.

Just as if someone crosses the road and they get hit by a car. Its not the drivers fault because the person walking was not paying attention. And I have already commented on the picking a spec, so thats that.
 
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I'm sorry, but it's YOUR performance. If you're going to take credit for all the good things that happen (reactions, good sleights, etc.), you also have to suck it up and take responsibilty of the bad things that happen. Everything should be under your control, and your example should never happen.
 
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I'm sorry, but it's YOUR performance. If you're going to take credit for all the good things that happen (reactions, good sleights, etc.), you also have to suck it up and take responsibilty of the bad things that happen. Everything should be under your control, and your example should never happen.

Your right and your wrong. Not everything is the magicians fault. I will take responsibility for the things I have control over. I can't control a spec. They are another person. I can tell them what to do, I can show them what to do, I can make it very clear. But if they don't do it, not my fault. I mean, what more could I have done? what did I do wrong? nothing.

Its like a boss at work, he tells you what to do, very, very clearly. You don't do it, its not the bosses fault.
 
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I can see where you're coming from, and maybe I'm just weird like that, but to me, everything in a performance is my fault... not only when it's good, but also when it's bad. Just how I am, I guess. But yes, I see what you mean how you can't always control exactly what a spectator will do.
 
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I mean, what more could I have done? what did I do wrong? nothing.

You failed to recover. It is advisable, when you perform live, to have as many "recovery" tricks in your routine as you have real tricks. That way, even if you do every trick in your routine for a group of spectators, and they screw up every single one of them... you will still always do a trick. Never abort a trick! The audience doesn't know what you're going to do. From any point in your trick, you should be able to convert to another trick if something goes wrong, without the audience even knowing you changed the plan.

I was going to tell you a couple, but you know some already. Use the stuff you learned so early on that you can do it blindfolded hanging upside down from a twelfth story window. That way, no matter how mad you are, no matter how cool the trick was that just got screwed up... you'll still do it right.
 
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