Definitive info on Jerry's and other Rare cards....

[phrozunsun]

This post is part challenge, part rant. enjoy.....

Now, i see a ton of people spouting off numbers, technical specs, dates and other miscellaneous info about Jerry's, Wynns and a whole bunch of other cards. Not just on here. Google any rare cards and everyone has some explanation.

I'm not doubting any of you, but does any have any hard evidence? A website maybe that says WHICH press was dismantled? How many were Produced? What type of stock, etc? Types of finishes?

I majored in Print Managment, so I'm doubtful that there is no way to produce a reasonable substitution. I'm not saying it would be cheap, or even feasible, but if the Jerry's were printed up on some old press, I'm sure there's more than one out there (or a suitable replacement). Especially with all the knowledge about the process everyone claims to have.

I'm also sure there's some things specific to card printing that I'd need to learn (process and finishing wise).

So if anyone has any links, or info, post them up. I'm interested.

 

[Vastago]

maybe PAPER!?

remember that technology has evolved massively over the past years and paper its for sure one of the winners of that change.

Well thats my opinion..

 

[jimbowmanjr]

Those who know don't tell....
Those who tell don't know....

 

[phrozunsun]

maybe PAPER!?

remember that technology has evolved massively over the past years and paper its for sure one of the winners of that change.

Well thats my opinion..

agreed, which is precisely why we should be able to make cards of equal or greater quality. At the very least we can replicate the methods, at the best, we can improve them.

I know the tools are out there to test for the properties we require. I used them in lab reports. lol.

 

[drorange]

i heard it is because the paper they used it was like wax paper

 

[David Rysin]

This has been one of those things that'll haunt me on those 56-hour-straight-magic-session-laying-in-bed-at-5-am days.

Granted I am not a printing specialist nor am I an expert at the different types of paper; however, why not try to replicate the feel and quality of these cards? The machines existed at one point, we can certainly remake them now. The paper existed at one point, we can certainly remake that now. There was a demand for such quality cards before, there will definitely still be one now.

I just don't see were the problem lies. Either I'm ignorant and oblivious to it, or there just isn't one.

~David

 

[APassivePoke]

We forget that the USPCC does not exist to supply magicians with cards. We are a TINY minority in their clientel. I doubt it would be economically feasible for them to go through all that work to re-produce old cards that 1% of their target demographic are even interested in.

 

[Sergey]

You guys are a little Paranoid with them Jerrys, I heard from people who actually used them that they aren't that great, it's just all of the hype around them that is making them look awesome, also the rarity of them. Dan and Dave and basically everyone who has them probably just uses them because they are rare. I also heard that they are HORRIBLE for magic, and only decent for flourishing so all this Jerry talk should go to the CArdistry/Flourishing Forum, I am not even kidding, it's not that I don't think they are cool, because they are, I just am tired of seeing a Jerry's Nuggets THread every other thread. I am glad the wynns are becoming popular, something new to talk about.

 

[copperfield 14]

You guys are a little Paranoid with them Jerrys, I heard from people who actually used them that they aren't that great, it's just all of the hype around them that is making them look awesome, also the rarity of them. Dan and Dave and basically everyone who has them probably just uses them because they are rare. I also heard that they are HORRIBLE for magic, and only decent for flourishing so all this Jerry talk should go to the CArdistry/Flourishing Forum, I am not even kidding, it's not that I don't think they are cool, because they are, I just am tired of seeing a Jerry's Nuggets THread every other thread. I am glad the wynns are becoming popular, something new to talk about.

Most of the people here are from decknique and DanandDave and all we do is flourishing. So as devo would say to you magicians. Go play with your little red balls! Haha just kidding Jerr's are rare because on ebay there selling for hundreds of dollars, and people actually buy them. Another reason is that Dan and Dave use them and they say they are perfect for flourishing ao everyone wants one. Let's not forget that jerrys were once 1 buck!.

 

[copperfield 14]

You guys are a little Paranoid with them Jerrys, I heard from people who actually used them that they aren't that great, it's just all of the hype around them that is making them look awesome, also the rarity of them. Dan and Dave and basically everyone who has them probably just uses them because they are rare. I also heard that they are HORRIBLE for magic, and only decent for flourishing so all this Jerry talk should go to the CArdistry/Flourishing Forum, I am not even kidding, it's not that I don't think they are cool, because they are, I just am tired of seeing a Jerry's Nuggets THread every other thread. I am glad the wynns are becoming popular, something new to talk about.

Most of the people here are from decknique and DanandDave and all we do is flourishing. So as devo would say to you magicians. Go play with your little red balls! Haha just kidding Jerry's are rare because on ebay there selling for hundreds of dollars, and people actually buy them. Another reason is that Dan and Dave use them and they say they are perfect for flourishing so everyone wants one. Let's not forget that jerrys were once 1 buck!.

 

[GeorgeH2]

The paper existed at one point, we can certainly remake that now.

I've read that environmental restrictions now in place prevent the manufacture/use of the kinds of paper/finish required to make these decks.

(Source: The Magic Cafe)

If you look you'll recognize some big names in that thread. I'm tempted to believe what they say.

George

 

[phrozunsun]

We forget that the USPCC does not exist to supply magicians with cards. We are a TINY minority in their clientel. I doubt it would be economically feasible for them to go through all that work to re-produce old cards that 1% of their target demographic are even interested in.

agreed, but i think i mentioned it didn't need to be feasible, I'm just tired of all the "they're impossible to make ever again" threads. Impossible and not feasible are two different things.

I just am tired of seeing a Jerry's Nuggets THread every other thread. I am glad the wynns are becoming popular, something new to talk about.

ditto. that's why i made this one. I've seen and read enough hearsay about them and every other deck without any hard facts. I've seen ONE person post a source (i haven't checked it yet, but it's in this thread).

 

[Jalal]

Guys, no affence to anyone here but please leave this matter alone. You don't think people have tried and tried to make it happen? Then 5 minutes later a new person comes along trying to do it and it all continues in a cycle.

We all need to stop being so naive and realise there are PLENTY of other cards currently on the market now that are more than sufficient enough for us to use. What ever cards you use aren't gonna change how much skill you have...give an experienced magician or flourisher a deck of Bikes and give a beginner a deck of Jerry's, who do you think will be better?

I mean I understand everyone's want for these decks we've all been there, but some things you just have to accept and get over. It's because of our on going hype that these decks are still going for the price they regularly go for, you think if people a long time ago stopped caring so much that they would still be this expensive? No.

But fair enough if your just after the decks for collection purposes that's perfectly fine, but just keep it to yourself and don't make endless amounts of posts complaining or wishing about Jerry's.

Hopefully I haven't ranted too much,

Jalal.

 

[phrozunsun]

totally agree there. I def don't plan to reprint them, but i have a big issue with people who claim it's impossible. not much in the world is impossible. improbable, maybe. not feasible, likely.

but it irritates me when people say "they dismantled the press so it's impossible". Presses are often customized, but rarely completely custom-made from scratch. Not to mention that's only an irrelivant piece of the puzzle because many presses can print on that sort of stock. The issue is finding the paper stock, the coating and the method of the coating was applied.

Like i said, it's the "impossible" part that irritates me. Especially when people saying that using erroneous information.

 

[jimbowmanjr]

totally agree there. I def don't plan to reprint them, but i have a big issue with people who claim it's impossible. not much in the world is impossible. improbable, maybe. not feasible, likely.

but it irritates me when people say "they dismantled the press so it's impossible". Presses are often customized, but rarely completely custom-made from scratch. Not to mention that's only an irrelivant piece of the puzzle because many presses can print on that sort of stock. The issue is finding the paper stock, the coating and the method of the coating was applied.

Like i said, it's the "impossible" part that irritates me. Especially when people saying that using erroneous information.

Would impossible qualify if Jerry's Nugget Casino said they do not want them reprinted? I don't think you can actually take their logo and their card design and reprint it without their permission. One person already requested permission to do it and they politely declined. Without their permission it is in fact "impossible" to reproduce them.

--Jim

 

[phrozunsun]

Would impossible qualify if Jerry's Nugget Casino said they do not want them reprinted? I don't think you can actually take their logo and their card design and reprint it without their permission. One person already requested permission to do it and they politely declined. Without their permission it is in fact "impossible" to reproduce them.

--Jim

I meant cards of the same quality, not nescessarily cards that had the same trademarked brand on them.