Magic Vs. Illusion - Hedbergs Peak Routine

Hey guys, here's my version of Hedbergs Peak by Dan and Dave. Feel free to give me your thoughts, constructive criticism always welcome.

NOTE: There is a moment when showing the 3 that you may see as a *flash*. I actually think this somewhat enhances it. Just a note.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl9x4nNqb1s


C
Another small note, I am unhappy with the Ego performance in here. I had to tilt the angles a bit for camera so it made it look to covered. Oh well.
 
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Hey Cliff,

Interesting idea - a few things in concept.

When you vanish the cards - I as a magician understand that you aren't using dups, but I am concerned that someone would want to see under the 10 of hearts after the first change to the 3 of clubs, to verify that you weren't using an extra card and just transfered it to 10 to the bottom...so, really, I don't want to expose, but I think you will know what card can easily really be put at the bottom to allow you to have one cover card, so you can just spread over the 10 of hearts - it might aid the illusion - hope that wasn't exposure.

I like it Cliff - as it is a question that is a great plot for an effect.

Although, for workers - the ego change is a bit impractical, because of angle restrictons, but the idea is solid.

Good luck with your magic.
 
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I think this is quite a nice routine, I certainly prefer it to the Dan and Dave routine. The first time I watched Hedberg's peak I found it to be more confusing than magical, it was difficult to follow what actually happened. I think by slowing it down you've definitely improved it.
 
Hey Chris,

Interesting idea - a few things in concept.

When you vanish the cards - I as a magician understand that you aren't using dups, but I am concerned that someone would want to see under the 10 of hearts after the first change to the 3 of clubs, to verify that you weren't using an extra card and just transfered it to 10 to the bottom...so, really, I don't want to expose, but I think you will know what card can easily really be put at the bottom to allow you to have one cover card, so you can just spread over the 10 of hearts - it might aid the illusion - hope that wasn't exposure.

I like it Chris - as it is a question that is a great plot for an effect.

Although, for workers - the ego change is a bit impractical, because of angle restrictons, but the idea is solid.

Good luck with your magic.


Thanks guys,

Morg, actually... my name is Cliff... haha I get that all the time.

Thats a valid point, but I really feel why run if you're not being chased? I have never been accused of dupes in this sort of situation. I see your point but I think its reading a bit to much into the effect.

Actually man, I use the Ego change all the time and in all situations. When you really play with it you can find it is a very practical change.


Thanks, Squ!rrel. I wanted to achieve two things with this routine. First, make it seem a bit more magical then just a "happening". And two, make all of the sleights off-beat. There was a sleight in the original Hedberg's that was done right in front of the spectators while being burned, which I don't like. I am a very off-beat worker when it comes to cards and wanted that in this routine. Glad ya liked it ;)

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Hey Cliff - really sorry about the first name error...perhaps I was distracted by your interesting last name.

Anyhow, thanks for the reply - I will try to keep my response short, as I am not trying to prove you wrong, but help you see that there is a mental process the audience goes through. They are continually asking themselves questions - for example - in coin magic, when you place the coin in your left hand - then show it gone - what is the question they ask? Where is the coin, right? They don't go - ohh, it is gone - they look for clues, "real magic" only occurs when there is NO evidience.

Darwin Ortiz calls my idea of pushing that card over, perhaps to flick it, or whatever - a coincidental convincer - it will also strengthen your ending sequence, as it was only the non-spread that lead me to the actual method. My suggestion is another way to show the position of the cards (face up or face down), as well as not having them have a mental out of. Oh, he has two 3 of clubs - which you don't - but people will look for outs. If I didn't know magic, this is the out I would have used to make your GREAT effect, a simple trick with no long term impact.

As for the ego change - I have watched many guys use it - and it is not as practical as you think. In walk around, sure - but if people are seated there is not only a large moment of flash that occurs (as it has as many angle problems as the pass, as essentially, this is what it is) but it also takes an ample amount of practice for NO noise. You do it well - but remember the angle of the camera - put the camera at waist height...now you are bending your arms in unnatual positions to cover the flash. Anyhow, if you like it - great - but I have seen it done by MANY people, including DG, and even seen the massive edit on his video when working for a crowd - because of the amount of flash that occurs.

I think often we convince ourselves how good it is, but a visual change like that has a problem - MUCH movement happening during the actual change. Therefore, it is easy for people to not say anything - because they say - well, I saw something, but I don't know what it was - but he had to do it for that to occur, what he did surprised me - so I will excuse the moment of flash for the outcome...however, I know he did something...this is not magic, not to me. If people know you did something when you do a move - then it is just a mechanical procedure...like picking up the cards in order in the 21 card trick. If they see nothing, and magic happens - then this is closer to what magic should look like....because they have no mental outs. Different standards of deception really.

However, you state you want all the moves off beat - so, I hope you realize as well as this was done - that the ego change does not occur off-beat, nor should it, as they need to see the change - but perhaps there is a way to do this effect with an implied change - rather than a visual one.

Anyhow Cliff - great work, an enjoyable effect with a logical presentation.
 
Haha No prob on the name thing, man. People who know me still call me Chris... haha


I certainly see your point, and it is a valid one. I actually misunderstood a bit the first time. Thanks to the setup of the effect this is quite an easy subtly to use. Very good point, my man.

As to the Ego... Practicality is a subjective thing. If I want to use an Ego I create the angles and moment that I need for the sleight. Its not just having your moves fit your situation, its having the skill to make the situation fit whatever you need, know what I'm saying?

And of course, the Ego is faaar from off-beat haha Actually, I don't know of a true "visual" change that is... Nature of visual changes I guess.

Thanks for the tips and stuff though, man. Always great to discuss magic with good folks who can have good conversation... rare to find these days.


C
 
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I was mixing Christopher and Clifford - stupidly I guess

Good luck at UNC - home of the best basketball player to live.
 
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