Origin of a move question..

[YRAMagicMan]

I've got a card control that I use frequently and I'm wondering its origin. I know the move by the name of the Lazy Pass. I learned it from my mentor and have only seen it performed by him and one other person, and no one that I know who does it knows the origin of the move. Is there any move in taught magic literature/videos that goes by that name? If so, who is it by?

I know this is probably not enough information to make it possible to answer the question and that a video would be extremely useful, but the nature of the sleight is such that I'm afraid that a video would reveal the move. This particular move relies heavily on misdirection and I don't think it would play well on camera. The best way I can think to describe the move is this. The motion is almost identical to that of a top change, but the entire deck is used. The deck starts and ends entirely in your left hand. I think I'll end the description there because any more info may be considered exposure.

If you guys have any information, cool. If you need more information about the move PM me and I'd probably be willing to send you a private link to a video or a more complete description.

Thanks.

 

[saborfang17]

I've got a card control that I use frequently and I'm wondering its origin. I know the move by the name of the Lazy Pass. I learned it from my mentor and have only seen it performed by him and one other person, and no one that I know who does it knows the origin of the move. Is there any move in taught magic literature/videos that goes by that name? If so, who is it by?

I know this is probably not enough information to make it possible to answer the question and that a video would be extremely useful, but the nature of the sleight is such that I'm afraid that a video would reveal the move. This particular move relies heavily on misdirection and I don't think it would play well on camera. The best way I can think to describe the move is this. The motion is almost identical to that of a top change, but the entire deck is used. The deck starts and ends entirely in your left hand. I think I'll end the description there because any more info may be considered exposure.

If you guys have any information, cool. If you need more information about the move PM me and I'd probably be willing to send you a private link to a video or a more complete description.

Thanks.

Can you PM me more info?

As admirable as your intentions are, without knowing the move, there is simply no way of knowing what it is. It's the equivalent of going to the doctor's office and only telling him "I'm not well" and expecting him to diagnose you on the spot.

 

[YRAMagicMan]

Can you PM me more info?

As admirable as your intentions are, without knowing the move, there is simply no way of knowing what it is. It's the equivalent of going to the doctor's office and only telling him "I'm not well" and expecting him to diagnose you on the spot.

I expected this would be the case.

 

[RealityOne]

According to the Behr Archives there is a "Lazy Man's Invisible Pass" in Apocalypse Volume 1. It is classified as a two hand cover pass. I'm not at home so I can't check the description, but maybe someone else can determine whether that this is what you are talking about.

 

[rich23]

According to the Behr Archives there is a "Lazy Man's Invisible Pass" in Apocalypse Volume 1. It is classified as a two hand cover pass. I'm not at home so I can't check the description, but maybe someone else can determine whether that this is what you are talking about.

Actually it is in vol.5 pg.646 by norman hougton.
what is written up looks very similar to the malone shift which is a version of the herrmann pass
i do not know if there is a video out there for the malone shift but you can find it in print in
gary ouellet's book the pass pg.75, YRAMagicMan i dont know if that is what you are
doing with out seeing a video. if you want to send me a link i can see if that is what it is.

 

[RealityOne]

Actually it is in vol.5 pg.646 by norman hougton.

Oops. I meant Book 1 which has Volumes 1 to 5 in it.

YRA:

Your best bet is to shoot a video link to Saborfang and Rich. If those guys don't know it, I doubt I will, but you can shoot the video to me too if you want and I'll take a look at it.

 

[ChrisWiens]

The motion is almost identical to that of a top change, but the entire deck is used.

If you mean that it has both halves of the deck seperated in both hands before the excecution, it could be the 'sleeves up' pass, which also relies heavily on misdirection.

 

[saborfang17]

If you mean that it has both halves of the deck seperated in both hands before the excecution, it could be the 'sleeves up' pass, which also relies heavily on misdirection.

Well, the pass can be done like that. As far as I know, I've seen Juan Tamariz and Dani DaOrtiz do similar "passes". While I can't give it a name, I can tell you that they hold the deck perpendicular to the ground and pick up the second half while gesturing with their right hand. It can also be done in the manner ChrisWiens has described it, that is, to "push your sleeves up" while sliding the second half out. Of course, the quotes aren't meant to imply that you don't push the sleeves up. But the first method described is the better one.

That's all I know about it. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Perhaps RealityOne or Jason England might have an answer if you sent them the video. They're a lot more well-read in magic than I am.