Packet Trick & the Bottom Deal

[Tower of Lunatic Meat]

I didn't want to hijack Bryant Tsu's thread, so here we go.

I have a packet trick that utilizes 25 cards. I want to get more audience involvement, and the best idea I can come up with is to utilize a bottom deal. Can't really explain much of the details as it'll give away the method. But I have a few questions:

Is the Bottom Deal harder with a deck that is this small and constantly diminishing?

Re there different versions of a Bottom Deal?

And what is the best book resource for a bottom deal? Not book pdf as my laptop crashed; lesson learned.

Any help is greatly appreciated!

 

[Bryant_Tsu]

I didn't want to hijack Bryant Tsu's thread, so here we go.

Well, seeing as my thread was to get the pros and cons of the two moves, asking for cons about the bottom deal wouldn't be out of place.

EDIT: as you probably know I have absolutely no idea, and can't contribute to this one.

 

[hammondedward9]

Brett, (and Bryant. You will find this information useful)
Good call moving this out of that thread!
The bottom deal actually becomes progressively easier with a smaller packet. Many of the greats have strategies to make sure they use half of the deck or less when they must bottom deal.

As far as different versions there are many: strike and buckle are the two main branches of bottom deals. These refer to the method for dislodging the bottom card. In these branches you have many different grips which each can be accomplished from and some methods even have a particular creator associated with it. Then there is, of course, the considerations for "stud" deals as well.

As far as where to begin, I would recommend a wide variety of material on the deal. Finding the perfect one is half the battle. Here are a few prevalent ones: Erdnase grip (buckle), Gene Maze grip (strike), Straddle grip (Iv'e seen this one done in both ways.)

The list goes on. Like most sleights there is also the potential for you to create your own amalgamated deal: One which fits your own grip and complies with other stipulations you may have.

Final note, The Jason England DL available here on T11 is a fantastic resource for the bottom deal. He covers all of the ones I mentioned but in a broad way. He discusses larger issue involved with the bottom deal such as the crosswise pressure necessary to do the move. Check out "Expert Card Technique", "TEATCT" and the DL I mentioned and you should be well prepared to start chiseling away at the hours it will take to learn. It is well worth the effort.

Edward

 

[RealityOne]

Resources for the Bottom Deal:

Marlo's Revolutionary Card Technique (chapters 8, 9 and 10)
Card College Volume 4 / Volume 5
Carneycopia
The Card Magic of LePaul (Simplified Method)
Books of Wonder, Volume 1 (Small Packet Bottom Deal)
Expert at the Card Table
Expert Card Technique
Dear Mr. Fantasy (Packet Bottom Deal)
Impossibilia (Packet Bottom Deal)

Jason England also has a video here on T11.

Brett:

Feel free to shoot me a PM about what you are trying to do and I can go through those resources (the only one I don't have if Revolutionary Card Technique -- I know I need to get it... it is on the list) and give you a sense as to what would work best for you.

 

[Tower of Lunatic Meat]

That is an entire wealth of information! Thanks guys!

Even better that the deal is better with fewer and fewer cards.

But it's crazy that there's so many ways of doing it. If it helps, the way I intend using it is to place cards, one at a time, into the members hand. If memory serves correctly, this MAY rule out poker and gambling style bottom deals (as I think that would require a card 'throw-from-deck' style of deal. Correct me if I'm wrong).

The Jason England tutorial could work as I can access it on my phone (since that's my primary form of internet presence right now).

Thanks again!

 

[hammondedward9]

Brett,
The gambling "throw" of the card is called "sailing" the cards and it can be applied to any method as it happens after the card has left the deck.
Edward

 

[Tower of Lunatic Meat]

Brett,
The gambling "throw" of the card is called "sailing" the cards and it can be applied to any method as it happens after the card has left the deck.
Edward

Ah. That is good to know. Thank you

 

[CrazyClement]

Jay Sankey has a bottom deal called Witchia Slip but I'm not sure if it's helpful...

 

[RealityOne]

Jay Sankey has a bottom deal called Witchia Slip but I'm not sure if it's helpful...

Witchita Slip won't work effectively with a packet. It requires a full deck.

 

[CrazyClement]

I think this is a stop trick so I'd say a biddle steal would serve the same purpose as a bottom deal and but easier.e

Alternatively, basing on your description of audience participation, perhaps a riffle then a HaLo Cut would serve the same purpose?

Hope this helps!

 

[MarcoLostSomething]

using few cards is a very clever way to include a bottom deal into magic, because it's much more easier and reduces the amount of practise.
you can go with a classic bottom deal with the buckle, but you can also perform a "strike" bottom deal, that is just taking off the bottom without any bubble on the bottom card.
A little bit of sweat will help on that, since you need a decent grip that won't make the bottom any different from a fair top deal.