Stock of Tally Ho and Bicycle

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I'm a collector of Tally Ho and Bicycle decks and I plan to grab some from Theory 11. However I have some questions below:

1. Has anyone handled a 2016/2017 Tally Ho or Bicycle deck? Is the stock different from the ones made in 2015?
2. Does Theory 11 sell 2016/2017 Tally Ho or Bicycle decks?

Look forward to see all your replies. Thanks
 

Khaleel Olaiky

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I'm not an expert on this topic, just by how I feel cards, I know for sure it's a different stock.
For me Tally ho is a light deck that can be handeled easily, Bicycle is harder to handle and Theory11's cards hit a sweet spot in the middle.
 
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The stock and finish is almost the exact same thing, but Tallys are Q1 so they are consistent and "better". Ever since the USPCC moved to crushed stock, tallys have felt slightly thicker, but it isn't a different stock, It's just pressed consistently at the same level (again Q1)
 
Each year, the decks of Bicycle and Tally Hos have felt different to me since the move to Kentucky. I've only found one deck of Bicycles that I deemed "acceptable" and that was a 2011 production. I have ridiculously sweaty hands that bleed into the stock. The Ohio stock gave me no problem, but I've found that all of the Kentucky decks will discolor when my sweat seeps into the stock (the sides turn blackish-blue. Quite weird). For dry handers, this may not be an issue.

The Eco Edition Bicycle deck gave me no problem though. Probably because the eco stock and ink is slightly more sweat resistant. Hehehe.
 

Lyle Borders

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The Ohio stock gave me no problem, but I've found that all of the Kentucky decks will discolor when my sweat seeps into the stock (the sides turn blackish-blue. Quite weird).

The glue (the center layer of the stock) is bluish-black (to prevent the faces from showing through the back of the cards). You don't normally see much of it due to the way USPC cuts the cards, but if you sog up the edges of the paper with sweat and distress those edges at all (looking at you, cardists!) you will start to see that black glue exposed on the edges. This gives the edge of the deck a color. Not a new problem at all - Bicycle decks have been doing this since LONG before the factory change. It is just not always noticeable.

Current USPC stocks are very high quality. There was a short time period right after the move when USPC was printing on new machinery where decks were coming off with quality issues. Those problems have been resolved for years now, and the card quality is as high or higher than it ever was at Ohio. Hard to compare to Ohio decks anymore. Ohio decks are fairly rare these days, and they are also now YEARS old. Compare a 10 year old deck to a brand new deck, and you aren't comparing apples to apples anymore. All sorts of qualities of the deck change as it gets old, including the feel. The Kentucky decks that everyone rags on these days will probably feel pretty amazing in 10 years, haha.

Sweaty hands are the enemy of playing cards. They can kill the best deck out there in short order. I feel your pain. If I am playing with cards, I end up washing my hands a ton with soap and COLD water. This seems to help for a short period of time.

// L
 
The glue (the center layer of the stock) is bluish-black (to prevent the faces from showing through the back of the cards). You don't normally see much of it due to the way USPC cuts the cards, but if you sog up the edges of the paper with sweat and distress those edges at all (looking at you, cardists!) you will start to see that black glue exposed on the edges. This gives the edge of the deck a color. Not a new problem at all - Bicycle decks have been doing this since LONG before the factory change. It is just not always noticeable.

Current USPC stocks are very high quality. There was a short time period right after the move when USPC was printing on new machinery where decks were coming off with quality issues. Those problems have been resolved for years now, and the card quality is as high or higher than it ever was at Ohio. Hard to compare to Ohio decks anymore. Ohio decks are fairly rare these days, and they are also now YEARS old. Compare a 10 year old deck to a brand new deck, and you aren't comparing apples to apples anymore. All sorts of qualities of the deck change as it gets old, including the feel. The Kentucky decks that everyone rags on these days will probably feel pretty amazing in 10 years, haha.

Sweaty hands are the enemy of playing cards. They can kill the best deck out there in short order. I feel your pain. If I am playing with cards, I end up washing my hands a ton with soap and COLD water. This seems to help for a short period of time.

// L

I did not know about the colored glue. Thanks for explaining that to me. Something different had to have changed since the Ohio decks because I never had the blueish black color problem with those older decks.

And I agree with the cards not being comparable now. Hard to say whether Ohio decks are "better" or not....just different.

I have to almost wash my hands every 15-20 minutes when practicing. I have like 10 decks that I have to switch between to prevent them from being soggy like a sponge cake.
 
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