What do you practice?

Aug 31, 2007
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Ok, im sure lots of people practice some way or another. I always have a deck of cards in my hand doing something, so i guess i would consider that practicing all the time. What do you do? Do you sit down for practice time? When you practice do you practice something spacific or just wing it?

Usually if i have nothing better to do i will pull out a deck of cards and mess with them. Sometimes infront of a mirror, sometimes not. The only problem is, in my opinion, i dont practice right. Just pulling out a deck of cards and doing a few card tricks to yourself isnt enough... Is it? What are your tips on practicing, and how and what do you practice.
 
Aug 31, 2007
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Yea, i work on my pass too. I just dont think about what i do, when i do it. My hands with the cards will be doing something completely different than what my brain and eyes are doing at the computer screen.
 
Feb 3, 2008
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Practicing in front of a mirror is definitely a start. A big tip I can give you is to practice while looking yourself in the eyes, that way you start getting good at doing the trick without looking and get good at making eye contact with a spectator when you are trying to cover a sleight.

Sometimes when I practice I do what you do and just wing it, its just fun to mess around sometimes, besides its easy to do without thinking about it to much. But during more serious practice sessions, I refer to my list of tricks and sleights I have made, find a couple of things I need to work on and work on those.

If I'm working on some sleights, I try to alternate randomly while practicing them so that my hands don't get stuck in a certain cycle or get stuck on a certain sleight. You don't want to try a different sleight and accidentally do the one you've been practicing over and over again because you are stuck. =P

If I'm working on a trick or a few, I'll alternate practicing with patter and without patter. Without patter, I'm just working on getting my sleights smooth, correct and in the right order. When I'm practicing with patter, its just like rehearsing, I try my best to act like its the real deal and I usually do this in front of a mirror.

Hope this helps some.

-Cyrus
 
Aug 31, 2007
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Nice, that came out good and gave me what i was missing. I really need a list of what i do, everytime i go to do somethign i forget everything. If i practice a list it would help.
 
Feb 3, 2008
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Glad I could help. :D

Making a list certainly helped me out a lot, it helps to focus on things you need to get better at. It also helps narrow down your tricks and get rid of things that aren't your style.

-Cyrus
 
Jan 6, 2008
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My current routine, developed over the weekend, is as follows:

Fan and close
Deck flip in same hand
Spring into other hand
Deck flip back to original hand
Charlier cut
Double-twirl top card and place on deck face up
Overhand shuffle routine:
- Control top card to bottom; riffle and bridge, retaining face-up card in position
- Retain bottom card on bottom; R&B
- Control bottom card to top; R&B
- Retain top card on top; R&B
- Control top card to second from bottom; R&B
- Control second from bottom back to top; R&B
Square and reverse: face-up top card becomes face-down bottom card

Deck is now in the other hand, so repeat from top.

This routine is just foundation and basics - I'm taking a break from moving forward into new and cool stuff, so I can lock down these basic bits and get them smooth and comfortable. Right now, I'm still a little hesitant on some of the overhand stuff, and my springs are pretty crap. I'd also get a lot of criticism on my fans, but I'm not entering any flourishing competitions so I don't care.

And a music instructor once told me when I was a kid, if you're good at what you practice, you're practicing the wrong things. So I'll change my practice routine when I get good at it.
 
Aug 31, 2007
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Haha, coin rolls cost me so much money. I get a quarter at least taken away from me a day at school. I suck at the roll and i always drop the coin on the desk... Over and over.
 

AllanLuu

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Aug 31, 2007
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wow, some of you are working on alot, I am just working on my ACR and a deck switch. I am sort of a perfectionist at what I do, but good for some of you guys taking on all those different moves.
 
Aug 31, 2007
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I try to limit myself to only 2 to 3 moves to work on but i sometimes get carried away. My main focus is my pass and DL, get the basics down and you will be good. My problem is i cant find time to dedicate to single sleights.
 

AllanLuu

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I try to limit myself to only 2 to 3 moves to work on but i sometimes get carried away. My main focus is my pass and DL, get the basics down and you will be good. My problem is i cant find time to dedicate to single sleights.

Here is a quick thoughts, how about you take your favorite routine and break it down to the slieghts that are used in that routine, then the most used slieght, practice to most then the second most used sleight, practice that one as well and then so on and so fourth.

For example, my favorite routine is the ambitious card routine and I know that the two most used sleights is the double lift and the pass, so I practiced those two quite a bit till I got them pretty solid and now I just combined it into a routine if that makes sense.
 
Here's what I do. I pick a few sleights that I am working on, in this case, my pass, Charlie Millers Cascade Control, and my Push Off Second Deal. I take these few things and make aquick routine out of them. First I might do the Cascade Control. Then, I would cut there card into the pack and do a pass. Next, I could a push off second deal and put the card into the middle and then restart the procces. This might seem like an ACR but that is just a coincidence.
 
I asked Cody S. Fisher (an accomplished pro) in another forum about his practice habits. What he said was enlightening...

"I can certainly hold my own when it comes to cards. In high school (and college) I would practice all the time. It wasn't so much "scheduled practice" as I just always had cards in my hands...I was nuts! I used to be a "move monkey"...always collecting new moves and difficult sleights. At one time I knew 40+ double lifts, every single false count, and probably 30 different passes. I "thought" I was a pretty good magician...

When I first started doing close up magic in restaurants, it was because a friend of mine here in town had a constant gig and needed help one night. He was about 15 years older than me and had been doing magic full time for many years. I was always "killing him" with my card magic. He on the other hand was not good at cards...he was a “Svengali Deck” type of guy! Anyway, one day his restaurant was having a special event where they needed two magicians...so he invited me to perform there with him. This was my fist real exposure to performing for real people...and I thought I was going to really "show up" my friend.

That night I was doing card to wallet, unshuffled, folded card to card box, signed card to spleen!...ect. I was doing some crazy knuckle busting moves...............with little response! All night I was constantly haunted by the cheers and laughter coming from the tables where my friend was working. After a while it became really annoying to me...how could this be happening? I was WAY better than my friend with a deck of cards or even coins!

After our shift that night I looked in his close up case and it turns out that had been performing sponge bunnies, professor's nightmare, and some Svengali Deck routine! This was a BIG eye opening experience for me...it was at this point that I realized that my friend was a better magician (performer) than me. Sure I could fool the pants off him...but I wasn't "the performer" that he was. At first I was pretty mad...but luckily I came to my senses and ended up humbling myself to ask for some help. My friend who was a veteran of the restaurant biz was kind enough to show me the ropes and teach me about being an “entertainer that performs magic”.

Why did I say all this? Well I constantly get asked questions about how often to do practice…to be honest these days very little. As long as you know a one card force and a one card control you can do hundreds of tricks! I still love playing around with cards…and I still like watching new moves…but as I have stated in previous posts my emphasis these days is on the performance.

I think too many kids these days are turning into “move monkeys” like I used to be…luckily for me there was a turning point! The last convention I went to there were several kids in the lobby doing some amazing things with cards…some really incredible moves, sleights, and flourishes. As a magician I was blown away by their dexterity. I finally asked one of them to “show me a trick”…and boy did it take me back to my early days. There is a big difference between executing the necessary moves to accomplish a trick and “performing” a trick.

My advice to anyone starting off is to learn the basics. A good force and a good control will take you a long way. Also, don’t learn a move out of the context of a routine. I used to know all sorts of moves that I really had no use for. These days I only learn a new move if it is part of a routine that I want to perform. Finally once you have a basic mastery of standard moves…start working on your performing / presentation skills. The truth is it takes much more practice to be a better performer than it does to be a good technician.

I feel like I had the best of both words…I spent most of my youth practicing moves…and all of my adult life concentrating on the performance. The truth is you need to focus on BOTH to be successful in the real world!"

I hope that helps,

Cody S. Fisher.

Yeah, you can say this helped me out alot. Practice with a purpose. Ask yourself: "what do I want out of magic?" "Do I want to make it my livelihood or is it just a hobby?" It's a hobby for me. But I have shed alot of baggage (useless sleights) since reading the above and I don't worry about who does what better or what new variation of pass, DL, etc. comes out. I do what I do and good enough to fool and entertain and that's what counts...
Dom Kabala.
 
Jan 6, 2008
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As long as you know a one card force and a one card control you can do hundreds of tricks!

Quoted for truth.

All the rest of that post is filler (interesting and entertaining though it may be). This is the money phrase. If you look at my practice routine, you'll notice that the vast majority of it is simply controlling a single card.

And you can't very well practice forces all by yourself.
 
Sep 1, 2007
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That post was great. I know what Cody means by "move monkies". I definitely try to stay away from single moves that don't have any place to go.

I mean, sure, I know moves that I can switch in for others, but I learned them in context with another routine. Take the Ego Slip for example. I learned it through White or Wheat, but it became a utility move that I can switch in to other routines depending on how I feel.

I don't usually like to practice new things, either. I can always improve the effects I already have, so I tend to sit down with them and just keep doing them over and over and over, looking for small things I could change.

David
 
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