What principle is this?

[jprace]

Does anyone know the name/creator of this principle?

Let's say you have a deck stacked as so: (the suits don't matter, only the values do)
1234123412341234123412341234123412341234123412341234

Any four cards that are selected, as long as they are right next to each other, will always turn out to be one 1, one 2, one 3 and one 4.

Does anyone know who created this principle and what it's called

 

[Riffleactionpalm]

Seems like you are stating the obvious.. lol..

 

[chriswiehl]

yea same here. obvious statement.
not quite sure what you are getting at.
lets say that Girolamo Cardano came up with it

 

[jprace]

Nevermind, I got a response elsewhere. It's traditionally called a "cyclist stack."

 

[Riffleactionpalm]

You mean cyclical..

No matter how many times you cut them, it still wraps around.


The Stebbins Stack is like this.

 

[visualartist]

You mean cyclical..

No matter how many times you cut them, it still wraps around.


The Stebbins Stack is like this.

Out of curiosity.What do these stacks do? what would be the purpose of having them in that order

 

[jprace]

It's a cyclic stack, my mistake.

Let's say you needed to force an Ace, Two, Three, and Four.
If the deck was stacked as so, you can have the spectator cut anywhere in the deck, and the top four cards they cut to will be (in no particular order) an Ace, Two, Three, and Four.

 

[tally-ho]

It's a cyclic stack, my mistake.

Let's say you needed to force an Ace, Two, Three, and Four.
If the deck was stacked as so, you can have the spectator cut anywhere in the deck, and the top four cards they cut to will be (in no particular order) an Ace, Two, Three, and Four.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but last I checked, a deck only had 4 suits in it. I mean, sure you could have a 16 card setup in the middle and it would accomplish the same thing, but It cant work in a full deck. Even with a full deck, this would not work, unless you wanted 13 cards selected.

Out of curiosity.What do these stacks do? what would be the purpose of having them in that order

A cyclical stack can be genuinely cut as many times as you please, without disturbing the order of the stack. If you know stebbins - the most basic cyclical, you will understand.


Even further answering the question, the cyclical (mathematical and rosary) deck was originated sometime in the 1600s.
EDIT: adding even more stuff. to be precise, 1612 by Minguet and Cardoso. that was the first recorded cyclical stack.

 

[jprace]

The stack can be used as a prepared deck, meaning that you can have this deck specially set with all Aces, Twos, Threes, and Fours.

I am not saying that you can cut without disturbing the order. I am saying it's possible for the spectator to select ANY four cards from the deck - along as they are directly next to each other - and there will always be one Ace, one Two, one Three, and one Four in the selected cards.

 

[RikAllen]

It's a 4-way forcing deck taking advantage of the cyclical stack principle.

 

[tokyoUW]

The correct name for this "principle" is: common sense.

thread closed?

 

[Shodan]

Get a regular deck into a cyclical stack (13 cards repeated four times) then do two perfect faro shuffles.

"Ackerman's Opener" abuses this kind of stack to the utmost - check it out in "Las Vegas Kardma", its a pretty awesome routine, in a book full of great card magic.