Competition: First Phase

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penguincdude

May 3, 2008
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That was really good. The first appearance of the 5 was amazing. My only suggestion is to work on the control because t looked a little suspicios
 
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JamesAV305

Dec 10, 2007
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Well I think you should really work on the patter a bit more. It was dull and at times made no sense.

The whole "the two jokers...! to be exact" was kind of corny and anti climatic. Try not thinking like a magician, try not to just copy what you have seen other magicians say. Be original and think like a performer that happens to do magic, not a magician that happens to perform.

Later in the trick you said that the jokers find the card "with just a snap", but it doesn't make any sense because you never snap lol.

The line after it "kinda cool" is also a bit corny. I think this comes back to you trying to reproduce the type of patter you have seen before from other magicians. I think that if you get away from that you will see your patter plays much better with your audience and they will enjoy it more overall.

Just some tips.

Overall the trick wasn't bad, I just think the performance is lacking a bit.

good luck,
Victor Cruz
 
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Thatcoolguy612

Jan 1, 2008
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I think you should add one more phase as a finale, this is a concept I apply to all of my routines. I think it is necessary to have a finale for many reasons, first of all it lets the audience know the trick is over, second it catches them off guard, if they have seen you do the same thing twice in a row they will expect the same thing again only to get "psychologically punched in the face" as I like to put it. :D

and lastly it keeps them wanting more... you may have seen the episode of Seinfeld where George decides that every time he makes someone laugh he will leave the room so he can make a good final impression, the same concept is applied.
(it was the first example that came to my head...don't judge. lol)
 
chriswiehl

chriswiehl

Jan 9, 2008
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you sound tired, and boring. its a good routine, but you need to put some energy in it. i know that performing for a camera is different than real life, but just go out of the way to show us exactly how you would do it for an audience.
also you can use a different control other than the cascade. i would honestly use a double undercut or something like that.
remember you want to make it easy as you can. but it was good.
 
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RikAllen

Nov 15, 2007
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Thatcoolguy612 said:
and lastly it keeps them wanting more... you may have seen the episode of Seinfeld where George decides that every time he makes someone laugh he will leave the room so he can make a good final impression, the same concept is applied.
(it was the first example that came to my head...don't judge. lol)
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lol, that's a great episode...Oh, topic back on...right-o

I agree with changing the cascade out, it was well covered...but a bit unnatural. You riffled, got the card, -pause- then cascaded...it just needs more practice (or a better take on video)

The script could use some work. Sandwich routines are hard to make exciting, but you can do better- I know you can, I've seen other performance videos by you. :)

I also agree with a possible third phase, something either over the top to end it or fill in the middle somewhere.

The first sandwich, awesome. That sums it up.

-Rik
 
Dima

Dima

May 13, 2008
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You were speaking like a robot at first, then suddenly changed to your normal voice half way through. Work on that. Plus the routine seemed a bit complex from a spec's POV. Economy of motion and all that.
 
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Donald C.

Nov 10, 2007
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DJDonkeyPuncher said:
Well I think you should really work on the patter a bit more. It was dull and at times made no sense.

The whole "the two jokers...! to be exact" was kind of corny and anti climatic. Try not thinking like a magician, try not to just copy what you have seen other magicians say. Be original and think like a performer that happens to do magic, not a magician that happens to perform.

Later in the trick you said that the jokers find the card "with just a snap", but it doesn't make any sense because you never snap lol.

The line after it "kinda cool" is also a bit corny. I think this comes back to you trying to reproduce the type of patter you have seen before from other magicians. I think that if you get away from that you will see your patter plays much better with your audience and they will enjoy it more overall.

Just some tips.

Overall the trick wasn't bad, I just think the performance is lacking a bit.

good luck,
Victor Cruz
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I have not got my patter set to go yet but I discussed with a few guys from IBM ring and they give me a few suggestions such as acting in 3rd person or starting off like this " Tonight we will be exploring the art of card magic" The most important card magic is [ produce the jokers and then say ] control"
Also Sean_Raf is helping me out a bit as well. Thank you for the comment and please if you have any patter ideas fell free to tell me them.
 
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Donald C.

Nov 10, 2007
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Thatcoolguy612 said:
I think you should add one more phase as a finale, this is a concept I apply to all of my routines. I think it is necessary to have a finale for many reasons, first of all it lets the audience know the trick is over, second it catches them off guard, if they have seen you do the same thing twice in a row they will expect the same thing again only to get "psychologically punched in the face" as I like to put it. :D

and lastly it keeps them wanting more... you may have seen the episode of Seinfeld where George decides that every time he makes someone laugh he will leave the room so he can make a good final impression, the same concept is applied.
(it was the first example that came to my head...don't judge. lol)
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I dont want to be lazy but do you have any ideas on how to do a finale? Like should the jokers at the end change into [ they pick a queen] 2 other queens or something?
 
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Donald C.

Nov 10, 2007
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Dima said:
You were speaking like a robot at first, then suddenly changed to your normal voice half way through. Work on that. Plus the routine seemed a bit complex from a spec's POV. Economy of motion and all that.
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I am not performing this for spectators and would not perform it for spectators I am performing this for many professional magicians that could be in the front row watching me.
 
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aJohnson

Feb 1, 2009
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Manchester, UK.
I didn't like the patter and not huge fan of the trick itself. Also if it's done infront of magicians I think they will find it extremely obvious so performance would be the only thing which would be able to boost it up.
 
jprace

jprace

Sep 7, 2008
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When you let the camera peek at a card, and you dropped your hands back down, we were able to see you riffle the selection off. Don't start to do the move/break until your hand is down.

Even when Dan and Dave do the Cascade Contol and peek, you can clearly see them letting our selection go. That's a bad thing...
 
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Donald C.

Nov 10, 2007
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aJohnson said:
I didn't like the patter and not huge fan of the trick itself. Also if it's done infront of magicians I think they will find it extremely obvious so performance would be the only thing which would be able to boost it up.
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Did you read my posts at all? I said I do not have a patter yet. What does it matter if magicians think it is obvious which i dont think they would anyway. I agree with what everyone else said but you just said care less things.
 
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aJohnson

Feb 1, 2009
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Manchester, UK.
magicman1212 said:
Did you read my posts at all? I said I do not have a patter yet. What does it matter if magicians think it is obvious which i dont think they would anyway. I agree with what everyone else said but you just said care less things.
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I only read the start post as I was busy, so I watched the video and commented on it like you asked.
 
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aJohnson

Feb 1, 2009
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Manchester, UK.
magicman1212 said:
Read all posts before saying something.
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Why should I have to? If you said you haven't worked out the patter then put it in the first post, I really don't have time to read every single post every time I want to comment on a thread, however I do try my best to. Anyway I will not get into a pointless argument.
 
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Monkey

Mar 1, 2009
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were did you lean to flip the cards out?????
o ya that was REALLY good i was expecting a little kid 2 sec routine
 
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JamesAV305

Dec 10, 2007
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magicman1212 said:
Why would you expect a crappy routine?
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generally anyone with a name like "magic man/guy/dude" followed by a sequence of numbers will upload crappy videos. Just generally.

But for your little spat with ajohnson, ease up, he was obviously trying to help you. If you know that this is what you have to work on then ignore his help. You asked for advice and he gave it to you. If your issue is with having to read it twice, then why waste the time responding to him. Your time can't be that valuable...

You should learn to take criticism better or stop asking for it (I'm not only referring to this threads, but other times when you have wined about people giving you bad criticism)

sincerely,
Victor Cruz
 
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