Enough With Card Flourishes?

[CDarklock]

I have books that asks you to barrow a gentlemen handkerchief and a silver dollar.

If you can't make the trick work, it's not the trick's fault. It's yours.

For example, while gentlemen don't carry handkerchiefs anymore, many restaurants have cloth napkins that work just as well. The silver dollar isn't critical; a quarter works fine. Not performing in a restaurant? A bandanna works. A lady's scarf works. And there's no real reason why you can't carry one yourself.

Which is the difference between a magician, and some lazy twit memorising things out of books.

 

[Steerpike]

For example, while gentlemen don't carry handkerchiefs anymore, many restaurants have cloth napkins that work just as well. The silver dollar isn't critical; a quarter works fine. Not performing in a restaurant? A bandanna works. A lady's scarf works. And there's no real reason why you can't carry one yourself.

On that note, I'm actually working on a collection of pocket squares for my suit and blazer.

If people aren't carrying handkerchiefs anymore, there's a way around it.

 

[Medifro]

So nothing against people who truly wanted to become CARDICIANS (which is real if you don't know) when they came here but when good magicians use cards cards cards cards it's so boring, predictable, and shows you have the average talent. B

Darwin Ortiz, Allan Ackerman, Andrew Wimhurst, Peter Duffie, Roy Wolten, Jerry Sowartiz ...

Yeah, all of them have average talent.

Nothing wrong with all cards. There are people who earn their living with a deck of cards alone. Sure, everyone should have a style, and everyone here seems to have the flourishy one, not to mention many videos are music videos not videos with presentation ( which is related alot to this style thingy ).

I do cards, people not get bored. I don't do flourishes though, I think people might get bored from 100 cuts in a row .. haha

 

[Nate Malini]

If you can't make the trick work, it's not the trick's fault. It's yours.

For example, while gentlemen don't carry handkerchiefs anymore, many restaurants have cloth napkins that work just as well. The silver dollar isn't critical; a quarter works fine. Not performing in a restaurant? A bandanna works. A lady's scarf works. And there's no real reason why you can't carry one yourself.

Which is the difference between a magician, and some lazy twit memorising things out of books.

You missed the point son. you have to make due with what is available today. your attack on what i was trying to say was unfair I may be old but I'm not stupid
obviously i don't ask for a gentlemen handkerchief or half dollar but my point was about change in this art and how we must change with it your example was a great one. but your end remark killed your credibility of intelligence.
I'm proud of my library and i am the magician i am to day from memorizing its contents and making it my own.

 

[CDarklock]

You missed the point son. you have to make due with what is available today.

I believe that's pretty much what I said. When times have changed, you change with them. When your book hasn't changed with the times, you change it. If you can't do that - if you're standing at your next show bawling "doesn't anyone have a handkerchief and a silver dollar?!" - then you're not a magician.

 

[Nate Malini]

I believe that's pretty much what I said. When times have changed, you change with them. When your book hasn't changed with the times, you change it. If you can't do that - if you're standing at your next show bawling "doesn't anyone have a handkerchief and a silver dollar?!" - then you're not a magician.

yea , and that was my point to the guy who stated this thread. you should really do some reading for your self maybe you'll be more successful in all your business ventures.

 

[Virus]

If you don't like us.... then use short sentences. XD

But seriously use shorter sentences that get to the point quicker because most people see that "wall of text" and don't read it all.

As for the magic part... I half agree... my view is that if you can fool the layman... you are solid.

Don't perform for other magicians, they just sit there and try to figure out what you're doing.

Plus... cards are cheaper (usually) than stage effects. So I'll just stick with my cards.

I didnt read it.

 

[palmer]

Witness is Indecent (which I've read in a kids book before)

You have to have been high when you wrote that. Just because there is a plastic bag involved doesnt make it the same effect that you got for Christmas last year.

Yea, its an updated effect, but its an update of Deuce Bag, one of L. Ashers effects from his "Thinking Out Loud" release.

You should pay more careful attention before you accuse people of copying effects.

 

[..:Z:..]

Sorry to sound like a jerk but HAS THIS EVER GOTTEN OUT OF HAND!!!

Really?

Is Theory 11 just a fancy name for a flourish website!?! I'M TIRED OF SEEING VIDEO AFTER VIDEO OF PEOPLE DOING THE SAME EXACT THING!!!

Your tired of it? I love it. Seeing these real people bring able to do what Dan and Dave (and whoever else) can do, it shows me that they are dedicated.

Dedication. It's a beutiful thing, maybe not to you but it is to me.

This is entirely my opinion but if you were magic would you be doing flourishes, let alone CARDS!?! NO!!!

I should go ahead and ask my brain-slapped spectator and see what he thinks about that...

Your audiences want to see magic, whether it be cards, coins, and whatever. They don't care about your props, they just wanna see magic.

The only time this sight shines is when they create something new and not just a remake of something else (which in all honesty hasn't been anything).

So why are you even in their forums ranting?

So go ahead and flame me with how much flourishes are good and "blah blah blah I wanna be just like Dan and Dave blah blah blah" Can't you find your own niche?

I'm not going to flame you but why are you trying to discourage everyone telling them that cardistry sucks?

If someone out here is willing to practice for a ton of hours to try to attain such skill, I say, GO FOR IT.

If you like flourishes go for it. I have no problem with it

You don't have a problem with flourishing?

but I hate how it's like, what everybody at Theory 11 does. Everybody just tries to be like everybody else.

No, I see people trying to reach the level of professional-grade cardistry. Is that such a bad thing?

To be honest I hate cards and I hate coins.

Your missing out.

They're good utilities and I DO use them

Wha, what? Didn't you just say you hate these props? Well why the heck are you using them?

You should use the props and perform the effects that you LIKE, not HATE.


but we're MAGICIANS!!! We look SUPERNATURAL!!!

You mean WE are magicians, I don't know about you but I KNOW that professional magicians wouldn't ever complain about something as silly as this.

Not, "what a slick prankster trickster" but MAGICAL!!!

Depends on how you frame it.

We make things happen that couldn't possibly happen and distort people's imaginations! How can we expand their world if we can't expand beyond the deck of cards!?!

I hate it when someone like you trys to ruin it for everyone.

I have been doing card magic for two years now and YOU are going to tell me that it sucks and doesn't work?

Just because you can't do cards as well as we can, don't tell us they're bad!

If you agree with me get some REAL stuff.

My deck isn't real? I use it, I play with it, I make my audiences scream with it.

Not "Card Trick/Flourishes/Card Card Cardilly Cards" but something like Banachek's PK Touches, Jay Sankey: Supernatural, Luke Jermay material, or even a set of cups and balls with a Michael Ammar DVD.

It's all about personal preference.

Ditch the card cliche.

All of those sucessful performances I've had with my deck of cards and you want me to just throw them away?

Hell no.

It took me awhile to realize cards are so overused and I look like every other magician when I use them.

This is the white-lie of magic.

Somebody said "Can't you do anything else other than card tricks?" and right there I thought "They're right. It's all cards cards cards and no MAGIC."

First of all, there's a ton of magic in a pack of cards and if you provoked your audience into saying something like that, you obviously didn't entertain them correctly.

Luckily I knew some sleight of hand from an old Ammar DVD and blew them away.

Where's the credibility in that?

I need to be different.

We can use some originality.

So nothing against people who truly wanted to become CARDICIANS (which is real if you don't know)

Umm, apperently, you've got a lot against a simple pack of cards but why take it out on the beholders of such a mighty tool.

when they came here but when good magicians use cards cards cards cards it's so boring, predictable, and shows you have the average talent. Break the mold!

I have seen many, many skillful young people out here and I am baffled every single time when I watch their videos that they so kindly share with us.

I am amazed at how they have a reason for everything in a performance, how smoothly and skillfully they handle a pack of cards, how they flourish and manipulate them with such finesse and ease without even breaking a sweat.

Cardistry is harder then any other magic skill out there I'll tell you that right now. You think the people using this skill are novices? I beg to differ...

Theory 11, if you delete this I can understand but if you're the site you claim to be you'll let us have opinions...

At Ellusionist, this would've been deleted, you would've been ban, and your ass would've been handed to you. Theory 11 is not like that and that's exactly why I switched.

Why would you even take the time to foolishly rant about these things? Do you not have anything better to do? Just because if something doesn't work for you, don't tell US, the MAGICIANS, that they suck and doesn't work.

Please understand. Cards are not a bad thing and just because a magician pulls out a pack of them doesn't mean he's a noob!

I'm out.

..:Z:..

 

[CDarklock]

yea , and that was my point

Really? Because here's what I saw:

lots of things in magic are passing through due to times lets see what will happen to card to cell phone in 5 years.,cards is one thing thats survived the times. embrace it.

Now, let's just ignore the spelling and punctuation and grammar, so we can concentrate on what was actually said. I've highlighted the critical points of the quote; the way I translate them is:

"Tricks get outdated, except for cards, so everyone should do card tricks."

I thought that was a pretty crappy thing to say, so I pointed out that you can and should modify tricks to suit your needs.

Now you're jumping up my butt about how that's what you meant to say in the first place - and that's as may be, but it isn't what you said.

 

[Nate Malini]

Really? Because here's what I saw:



Now, let's just ignore the spelling and punctuation and grammar, so we can concentrate on what was actually said. I've highlighted the critical points of the quote; the way I translate them is:

"Tricks get outdated, except for cards, so everyone should do card tricks."

I thought that was a pretty crappy thing to say, so I pointed out that you can and should modify tricks to suit your needs.

Now you're jumping up my butt about how that's what you meant to say in the first place - and that's as may be, but it isn't what you said.

Now that was better. good criticism. This is the second time my comments have been misunderstood. I'll try and say what i mean more straight forward so it doesn't have to be "translated" I don't think every one should do card tricks that would be boring, just don't knock it thats all. it was just the name calling that bothered me at the end. leave the name calling to the immature kids (I had no Idea you are 38 years old) we kool?

 

[CDarklock]

it was just the name calling that bothered me at the end.

I was being a little snippy. It annoys me when people pick up a book and read an instruction they can't follow perfectly, so they throw up their hands and say the whole book sucks because it has outdated tricks you can't do anymore. Reading isn't the whole equation; you have to read, then think, then act.

But yeah, we cool.

 

[Cardmagic12345]

Before I start ignore my name I'm a flourisher.


T11 is a magic and flourishing site if you see to much flourishing get over it. You don't have to watch anything if you don't want to.


The flourishers are the ones who gave up there media system.


The media system CAME from the flourishers so if they "over"use it get over it.
We have only ONE section we take up nearly 30%(the flourishers) of the website so stop complaining it should be us complaining.



Don't like it? Then get off your butt and try to make a decent magic video.