Is there a way to lift a card from a card spring?

[Juvator]

Overall, I'm still confused by your description of the trick.

You want to spring a deck of cards from hand to hand, and somewhere in the middle reach in and pull out the selected card, without dropping the cards? Is this right? If it is, understand that if you are springing the cards from hand to hand, you can't sprout a third hand to catch the selected card. Because of this, you have to spring the cards into the air or onto a surface.

My second question for clarification is this. Have you already created a trick? Are you just trying to describe a trick you do or are you trying to describe a trick you want to do in the future?

Yeah spring a deck from hand to hand and yeah somewhere in the middle pull out a card without interrupting the spring visibly.
The reason I asked is because I think I found a way but I still need to find out if it can be done fast enough and the problem is that I still lack certain basic skills. But I do have a creative mind. And I did not want to spring them on a surface or in the air indeed to free up a hand because that would make it well just different. The idea I have is more like how did that happen while his hands did a spring.

Created is a big word but it's a work in progress that would be angle sensitive from certain ways but I think it could still work because you can cover a lot of it and people are watching the spring most likely. It would not be a Huge spring because I don't think that's going to be possible. As I've only just discovered a possible method I will need the coming months to practice and see how good it can get and then I would gladly show it and if it ends up failing I'd still gladly show it to then see if someone with more experience can do it better. And I mean maybe it's just an inefficient way of doing it and that there are better/easier more reliable ways to perform a spring sleight.

But to me this method if it's viable seems waay to easy for me to come up with when nobody else did you know and i'm a noob and I keep getting like wake up calls an realizing something is not actually new. And also I just enjoy myself the most when I'm trying to find other ways or modifications.

Did you have the idea yourself? No. Therefore, if you see someone do something and you figure it out, and then you use it, you're stealing their idea. You're copying them, freeloading on their creativity.

That's lame.

If you purchase the product not only do you usually get insight into the possible pitfalls and hang ups from the creator, you also get the performance rights to do that trick or routine or whatever.

If you independently create the same thing as other people, without ever seeing the other person do it, feel free to do that routine. I've done that before - I accidentally created a routine almost identical to one by Luke Jermay. I contacted him and he gave me his blessing to perform in the US as much as I like but not in the UK, where he is based.

I have purchased many products that I already knew how it was done, because I hadn't had the idea before I saw that product demonstrated or performed. It's just showing respect to the creator to compensate them for helping you.

To be clear I'm not intentionally trying to steal anyone's ideas or magic I prefer to come up with my own things if at all possible. I had my first lesson from an oldskool sleight of hand magician this week and he is very willing to take a protege in his old age to teach what he knows and is happy someone is so interested in picking this art up. I feel like you might have the wrong idea, I'm doing my best not to cross any lines

Btw by using and practicing/figuring out do you see those things as the same. Because I don't use anything publicly atm because I am simply not good enough for it. And anything I've learned so far was in a book or seen from watching people's performances. I have the Royal Road and Expert at the Table as physical books

 

[Juvator]

Also maybe I should introduce myself somewhere and tell a little bit about myself if that sets anyone at ease. I don't see a specific section for it though.

 

[WitchDocIsIn]

So, general rule of thumb:
If you learn it from a book, download, video, etc. - assuming the source is legal, that's perfectly fine. Perform all of that if you want.

If you learn something directly from someone, that's fine to perform as well. Assuming that person had the right to teach you in the first place, but that's difficult to determine when you're new.

What I think is lame is when someone watches a performance, and then goes home and copies that performance. It happens a lot in the magic world and it's just disrespectful. "Man, that bit killed, I'm gonna do that."

What you practice leaks into what you perform. So if someone inspired you, find the source and pay for it. Otherwise I say ditch it.

 

[Juvator]

All I can say is that he will teach me things that he himself learned by paying for it because I know he has spent a lot of money on that. And is also very adamant on that point. And that he will teach me things that he's come up with himself that even his colleges apparently don't know because he wanted to keep some things secret but he also does not want them to be forgotten though.

personally I have only paid relatively little attention to someone's performance though I do pay more attention to it now. But I am not at a point where I could even consider doing any performance so it has not even occurred to me to copy someone else's routine which I would fine lame as well anyways haha

Nah I need to figure out how I can fit magic to my personality and once I get good enough to perform among friends or something I can hear some feedback in regards to that. However watching someone when you are new is very educational

At the moment I'm also realizing that I still need to be focusing most of my attention on the basic stuff like training my pinky for a pinky lift The double lift techniques instead of the more flourishing style I've done so far. Doing a decent dribble also seems like a good skill to have to air out the cards and its just fun to do. So at the moment I've narrowed my attention again to make sure I learn some basics. Swivel cut for example as well.

 

[Josh Burch]

Yeah spring a deck from hand to hand and yeah somewhere in the middle pull out a card without interrupting the spring visibly.

The reason I asked is because I think I found a way but I still need to find out if it can be done fast enough and the problem is that I still lack certain basic skills.

I did not want to spring them on a surface or in the air indeed to free up a hand because that would make it well just different. The idea I have is more like how did that happen while his hands did a spring.

Maybe I need to see the move. I still don't understand how you can spring the cards with one hand, catch them with the other AND find the time to pluck the card out of the middle of the deck.

The only way I see this as possible the way you described is if you stopped the spring at some point (like in Steve Forte's spring St. Aces).

When do you pluck the card from the deck?

I have the Royal Road and Expert at the Table as physical books

If you have these books you should have a solid foundation of card magic. You have a ton of ways find a spectator's card in a shuffled deck without a gimmick.

 

[Juvator]

Maybe I need to see the move. I still don't understand how you can spring the cards with one hand, catch them with the other AND find the time to pluck the card out of the middle of the deck.

The only way I see this as possible the way you described is if you stopped the spring at some point (like in Steve Forte's spring St. Aces).

When do you pluck the card from the deck?



If you have these books you should have a solid foundation of card magic. You have a ton of ways find a spectator's card in a shuffled deck without a gimmick.

Aye indeed with those books I will be able to learn a very solid foundation it's just very slow going haha in the sense of comprehending them. And indeed I've not yet found the time to study ways of finding cards without trick decks or gimmicks and it would be another line of separate skills I would need to learn as well. And I am already practicing 6-10 hours a day I just don't have the time right now to also learn those moves as well. But I will though once I mastered a few other things and have more of an idea if it's even possible to pluck the card from the spring smooth enough to make it worth learning card location techniques for that move. I mean I do indeed know there's tons of way to locate a card I just don't "Know" know them as in I can perform them yet.

But well yeah at the moment the spring is somewhat interrupted and will then continue on, I've got it down to maybe a half sec stop but that's still too much right. The problem is if I tell you how I do it then well everyone will know. Though I think it would also be presumptuous of me to think that in the end this trick could be done flawlessly. So there's my dilemma, do I tell you how I do it and maybe get help and a definitive answer on whether or not I'm wasting my time.. or do I go on trying to figure out myself if it can be done in a way that it looks flawless or at least flawless enough for people to wonder how I did it. Because even if the spring is slightly interrupted people would probably still wonder wtf happened.

 

[WitchDocIsIn]

I spent 8 months on Royal Road to Card Magic alone, just so you know. I didn't even thoroughly study the whole book, just the parts that really applied to me.

 

[Josh Burch]

Check this out then:

Best of luck!

 

[VagueTheory]

I used to spring the cards with one hand onto a table and then use my free hand to grab a card.