Problem with Haunted Pack and Box Monster

[shinichikudo992000]

Can you guys tell me why sometimes when I use the special gimmick to do the hunted deck, the packet wont move and causes the gimmick to break?

Also same w/ box monster, I followed step by step as the instruction said but the card never rise from the deck.

if you guys can help me out, that would be awesome.

thanks.

 

[Dave Wiltrout]

Please edit your post. You exposing the method.

Dave

 

[Eddie]

How is he exposing the method? I don't see any exposure...

 

[owen.christian]

How is he exposing the method to Box Monster? I don't see any exposure...

Neither do I.

For the Haunted pack, try to get the selection near the top of the deck, that way the loops won't have to move so many cards.

 

[Dave Wiltrout]

He named the gimmick in use to accomplish the effect. AKA exposure.

Dave

 

[Eddie]

He named the gimmick in use to accomplish the effect. AKA exposure.

Dave

What ... you have to be kidding me...

 

[Dave Wiltrout]

No, I'm not kidding. That's the method and it's listed out in the open, so obviously it is exposing to whoever feels like opening the thread.

Some of you may not feel the same way about magic like I do, but I try and have respect for such things, no matter how ridiculous they may seem to others.

Dave

 

[DavidLira360]

To avoid the loops from breaking one suggestion is to stretch the loop before using (stretch the loop putting your hands inside the loop then do circular moves with it until it reaches is maximum).

Another thing is the deck itself, normally when i use loops i use a new deck, because it slides with ease so it will not be stuck when you are doing the hunted deck.

Or when you are doing the hunted deck do it with the hand concealing the loop on a 45º angle, NOT vertical to the packet or it will break for sure.

On the box monster, try to take a few cards from the deck (3 or 4), this will make a huge difference when you are doing the rising part, because there is more space inside the box, when you release your finger pressure it will come up with more ease.

Any questions just ask

 

[Eddie]

No, I'm not kidding. That's the method and it's listed out in the open, so obviously it is exposing to whoever feels like opening the thread.

Some of you may not feel the same way about magic like I do, but I try and have respect for such things, no matter how ridiculous they may seem to others.

Dave

Okay loops... is not exposure at all. It's like saying the Invisible Deck is exposure just by saying it's an Invisible Deck.
You basically expose the method yourself by saying the special gimmick is part of Box Monster when he was asking TWO DIFFERENT questions.

Please think carefully before making more posts.

 

[Dave Wiltrout]

I didn't blatantly say the method unlike yourself. So maybe you should be the one that should watch what they say from now on.

And the Invisible deck is the name of the routine itself and doesn't expose a thing of how it works. What would be the same thing, would be if I named the gimmick that made the deck work the way it does. Not the name of the trick itself.

And once the original post was edited, I was going to edit my own to where I felt it would be needed.

Try respecting other magicians and their secrets, instead of trying to find an excuse to why it's alright to expose something, no matter how minuscule you may feel it is.

Sorry for hijacking your thread shinichikudo992000.

Dave

 

[Deleted member 2755]

I cannot help with Box Monster as I don't own it.

As for the Haunted Pack, as other people said, stretch out your loops first for a while before using them. It will make them a lot stronger as they are ready to stretch.

When doing the Haunted Pack, try to get the card closer to the top. That way the loop has to move less cards. Another thing you can try is changing the angle that you are moving your hands. Experiment with angles. I found that some angles moving to the right work better than other angles moving to the right. Experiment around a bit.

I hope that helps.

-Doug

 

[Eddie]

I didn't blatantly say the method unlike yourself. So maybe you should be the one that should watch what they say from now on.

And the Invisible deck is the name of the routine itself and doesn't expose a thing of how it works. What would be the same thing, would be if I named the gimmick that made the deck work the way it does. Not the name of the trick itself.

And once the original post was edited, I was going to edit my own to where I felt it would be needed.

Try respecting other magicians and their secrets, instead of trying to find an excuse to why it's alright to expose something, no matter how minuscule you may feel it is.

Dave

Are you assuming we're illiterate and we do NOT understand what you were saying before? Anyone, even an 8 year old can figure out what you were saying.

Oh and by the way, just because the special gimmick is used for box monster doesn't mean we still know how it would work. I don't know much about E's products but I heard that it is HIGHLY gimmicked so it shouldn't even matter.

 

[shinichikudo992000]

To avoid the loops from breaking one suggestion is to stretch the loop before using (stretch the loop putting your hands inside the loop then do circular moves with it until it reaches is maximum).

Another thing is the deck itself, normally when i use loops i use a new deck, because it slides with ease so it will not be stuck when you are doing the hunted deck.

Or when you are doing the hunted deck do it with the hand concealing the loop on a 45º angle, NOT vertical to the packet or it will break for sure.

On the box monster, try to take a few cards from the deck (3 or 4), this will make a huge difference when you are doing the rising part, because there is more space inside the box, when you release your finger pressure it will come up with more ease.

Any questions just ask

wow, thank you very much for your help.

 

[Dave Wiltrout]

Oh and by the way, just because the special gimmick is used for box monster doesn't mean we still know how it would work.

Doesn't matter. Whether it's exposure in it's entirety or not, it's still exposure.

Are you saying it's alright to expose part of a trick as long as it's not the entire thing?

I don't know much about E's products but I heard that it is HIGHLY gimmicked so it shouldn't even matter.

So are you saying gimmicks don't matter? If it uses a gimmick, then it's okay to say what it is?

-Dave-

 

[shinichikudo992000]

I didn't blatantly say the method unlike yourself. So maybe you should be the one that should watch what they say from now on.

And the Invisible deck is the name of the routine itself and doesn't expose a thing of how it works. What would be the same thing, would be if I named the gimmick that made the deck work the way it does. Not the name of the trick itself.

And once the original post was edited, I was going to edit my own to where I felt it would be needed.

Try respecting other magicians and their secrets, instead of trying to find an excuse to why it's alright to expose something, no matter how minuscule you may feel it is.

Dave

Hey dude, do you know LOOPS is the name of the series trick that released from Ellusionist?

http://www.ellusionist.com/product/...=basic&keyword=loop&sortby=newArrivals&page=1

I don't see why the world loops is an exposure to you. We are all magician, we are all know what loops is. Unless you're noob and doesn't know such a classic gimmick, well that's a difference story.

I don't really know what you mean by the word LOOPS is an exposure to you because if you say that, basically Ellusionist exposed all the tricks in Guerilla Guide to Loops series by saying the word LOOPS.

Reply me if I'm wrong.

 

[DavidLira360]

For shinichikudo992000

I try to send you a private but you have it deactivated.

Yes, this happens when the loops are used to much, because of the loop goes on the edges of the deck or because of the suet on your hands. And no, there is no way that i know to take that crumps from the loops or to avoid them. I have searched on all my material about loops (i got everything), and none hits this point.
...so just take a new one for performance, and use the crumpy one for training.

Any more question just ask, i will be here to answer.

 

[shinichikudo992000]

For shinichikudo992000

I try to send you a private but you have it deactivated.

Yes, this happens when the loops are used to much, because of the loop goes on the edges of the deck or because of the suet on your hands. And no, there is no way that i know to take that crumps from the loops or to avoid them. I have searched on all my material about loops (i got everything), and none hits this point.
...so just take a new one for performace, and use the crumpy one for training.

Any more question just ask, i will be here to answer.

ok thanks alot for you help.

 

[Phenomena]

christ this isnt E
who cares if he exposed a bit
youd have to have some serious mental defect to not know box monster uses loops of some type

for the haunted deck
like some1 said, control it to the upper half, and go slow

i dont do this trick because they break all the time for me

as for box monster, shorten your special gimmick more and more until you get the effect perfect
your loop may be to long

 

[Dave Wiltrout]

christ this isnt E
who cares if he exposed a bit
youd have to have some serious mental defect to not know box monster uses loops of some type

Of course most magicians will know exactly what loop is and what it accomplishes. What I don't care for is letting laymen in on the secret, which laymen are allowed to freely read through this forum. That's why it shouldn't be exposed. Not for people like myself, but for the people that I perform for.

It seriously boggles my mind how many of you do not care if a secret is revealed. This is how alot of us get paid.

As much as I don't want to believe it, magic really seems to be going down the drain with this new generation...

-Dave-

 

[Phenomena]

lol
lets say, just for the sake of saying
1000 laymen read this forum (more than us magicians)
so thats 1000 laymen...now theres what
6 billion people?
k minus 3 billion kids or people in remote places

so were down to 3 billion people who MIGHT come across SOMEBODY performing magic to them in the near future

its late and my math is dull but 3 billino divided by 1000 is, 300 million? right?
so thats a one in 300million chance somebody who has read these forums will be in our audience

ill take the odds, if it lets me chat and discuss certain things with fellow MAGICIANS who will help other MAGICIANS IMPROVE.