Essay: Analyzing a Legend's Words: Jamy Ian Swiss

Sep 1, 2007
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Guys all of you need to calm down.

I think this thread should be closed.


Bottom line.


Some like custom/ other cards.

Some don't.


Learn to accept this.
 
Sep 1, 2007
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how is this different from busking? Is it different from busking? What makes the items marketed as "street magic" (or guerrilla magic, should we rename it) called such? Is there something about the item that makes it special - what makes it different from say the same previous release without the title? Are their any stylistic conventions to GM? Can someone be wearing a tux, for example? And if the venue advertises the GMs presence or pays him in any way, does that cease to be GM? (Afterall, he no longer is "coming out of nowhere?)

Brad

In order:

1. My conception of busking has been to stake out a spot and draw a crowd. The performer is stationary aside from occassionally rotating to a higher traffic area. Street magic in the traditional sense is essentially parlor magic in an outdoor setting.

2. I really don't have a definite answer to that. I don't believe I'm at a point where I can explain it as well as others could.

3. As far as stylistic conventions go, the performer must be self-contained to allow maximum mobility. The focus is mostly on spontaneity, though the tone of the act will depend on the performer. Where it gets complicated is trying to figure out where this leaves guys like Cyril, and to be honest I've struggled with what to call Cyril for a while as his thinking is so radically different from his contemporaries. He seems to actually create a unified theory of magic and mentalism.

4. Yes. Once you're being paid by the owner of a venue and they openly advertise it, it defeats the "guerilla" aspect of the whole thing.
 
Sep 1, 2007
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Wow. This is a great discussion here.

Just though I'd drop a couple of points...

Magic is an aesthetic entity. It is meant to be heard and seen. Just like every morning, when one chooses which D.C. comic book character t-shirt he's going to wear to wear to work, which will give everyone else an impression of him, based purely by sight (am I feeling like Aquaman today?), the props one chooses to use does have an effect on a performance. Initial impressions count for a lot.

If I choose to perform with my Iraq's Most Wanted plastic coated deck, it will be saying something, as opposed to if I choose to perform with some black Tally-Ho's. Just like if I choose to wear a "foxy grandpa" t-shirt to a cocktail party, rather than my Armani suit (I wish...).

Magic, while almost entirely based how one presents, is dependent on how one presents himself.

As far as this whole style argument that has suddenly sprung up, closeup is closeup, as far as I'm concerned, in spite of the packaging. Cool factor is important, I won't lie. But it only holds up for so long. Like Harry Potter or most American-Italian food, once you get past the initial phase of "that's cool," there is no depth. Basically, initial impression upon an audience should be backed up and pushed forward.

Whether or not the audience thinks the deck is cool, they'll be raving once you pull out the Simple Switch. But just trust me on this. The Simple Switch with Gaurdians looks tres tres cooler than with Iraq's Most Wanted.

And if they try and call you on a trick deck, whip out some Sybil and they'll swear you sold your soul to the devil (not to some online store...heheh, only joking about that part...)

This whole thread has been quite interesting to read. I certainly cannot wait to see where it goes next.
 
Aug 31, 2007
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Guys all of you need to calm down.

I think this thread should be closed.


Bottom line.


Some like custom/ other cards.

Some don't.


Learn to accept this.

Hey, what, you are trying to diminish all good conversations on this site?

What would be the whole point of debates then?
 
Sep 1, 2007
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Hey, what, you are trying to diminish all good conversations on this site?

What would be the whole point of debates then?

Yeah. I second that. It's not like this thread has diminished into a bunch of petty insults. There's a lot of good stuff here. Intelligent debate. Don't step all over that...
 
Dec 14, 2007
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A thoughtful reply should come tomorrow, but I wanted to say that I too am enjoying this exploration, and I do not feel any of this to be heated or personal. If I have given off that vibe to anyone, I apologize. It was not my intent. (And believe me, sometimes I DO intend it, just not here :) )

I don't think any of us feel that the goal is to get someone to agree with them - only to help each of us explore our own thoughts and clarify them more clearly.

I, for one, hope the thread remains open and productive.

More later,

Brad
 
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Feb 23, 2008
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Yeah. I second that. It's not like this thread has diminished into a bunch of petty insults. There's a lot of good stuff here. Intelligent debate. Don't step all over that...

Third.

Everything is great here...a lot of great feedback...a lot of nice opinions that I loved to hear...thanks again guys.

Again, if anyone else DOES feel that this is no longer under control (I see many of you disagree with the initial "close this" post), just post here in this thread.

Keep it up.

essaywriter
 
Feb 23, 2008
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So, if you want to say that Street Magic is nothing more than impromptu or close-up magic repackaged and resold to the taste of modern youth, I might be able to consider that a valid definition. (I haven't thought it through, but it seems like it would do a good job of encompassing the examples which are presented as "Street Magic.")

Is there a better definition out there...?

Back to my opinions...

No, there is not in my opinion. This is what it is-using the media and marketing to sell it to aspiring magicians, most of which are actually, believe it or not, as Jamy described. He is projecting an image of the majority really, not the whole population. He only used this description, really of the majority of the "victims" of such co-marketing/media schemes as the description of the population simply to save a breath, if you know what I mean.

Brad has nailed it.

Repackaging and marketing. Modern "street" magic.
 
Sep 1, 2007
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The term victims implies malicious intent.

And as much as I hate repeating myself, we shouldn't pull advertisements to save everyone else from our temptation.
 
Feb 23, 2008
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The term victims implies malicious intent.

And as much as I hate repeating myself, we shouldn't pull advertisements to save everyone else from our temptation.

I intended it to be a metaphor; sorry if you misunderstood that part.

Advertisements? On who's part? For what?

Just curious...
 
Sep 1, 2007
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I'm just saying that hype, marketing, and advertising seem to be carrying negative connotations lately. People naively want what they percieve to be false advertising to be stopped.
 
Dec 14, 2007
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Tom, I'm confused. You seem to be saying that SM is being marketed as a tool to help them be cool at school

Brad,



I think its safe to say that what "street magic" really is, is marketing "CLose up Magic" to youth that they can do anytime, anywhere, and as the perfect Social tool. Taking traditional magic and trying to make it cool and hip, and for a long time magic needed it. "Street magic" has a nice ring to it, maybe we should change it to "awkward-adolescent-phase-Reducer" but I don't think as many people would be interested in it then.

I would venture to say that the appeal to most youth that are attracted to E, is NOT so they can go up to people on "The Street" and try and MAKE money.. its a tool to help them be "cool at school" and help them meet people have something that sets them apart.

TI

but later you seem to denigrate those that would fall for it:

Brad-


If they actually really believe that learning a trick will instantly make them COOL, that definitely seems silly. Just like believing a certain pair of shoes will make you a better basketball player.

TI

Does that not make what they are doing fairly creepy - intentionally marketing something as one thing when it isn't; preying on the inexperience and desperation of the socially awkward; offering a promise that they know cannot be delivered.

While we can call people silly for choosing to buy into it, it does not make the attempt to take advantage any less reprehensible - especially when we agree that most attracted to it are "socially challenged" to use your words. It's take advantage of someone's emotions and desires and selling them something that will not cure their ills.

Am I reading you wrong?


Brad
 
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