I was there for most of those performances and can attest to the fact that this effect works. We had such a blast performing for Carrot Top - he loved it.
REF4M by Blake Vogt?
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I was there for most of those performances and can attest to the fact that this effect works. We had such a blast performing for Carrot Top - he loved it.
you do have a point about ripping the spectators deck. a lot of people are right about this effect but i think people are just looking to the negative sides all the time... tricks in general
That's what people use the internet for these days, complaining and arguing over things that don't matter and won't change anything. I don't like the tearing sequence, it doesn't look convincing to me but the rest looks pretty cool. That being said people like Katie and Andrei will say it's good because they have an association with T11 and it's good business to promote it well.
Honestly, the spectators are not going to remember the tearing sequence at all. They will remember the restoration phase. I do not think that the spectators will at all question the tearing sequence, but hey, that's just me.
Honestly, is there really a difference between tearing up the restored card in this effect compared to turning a one dollar bill into a 20 dollar bill and then turning it back into a one dollar bill? Same thing.
My first reaction when I saw the tearing of the restored card was "Well, that sucks. I would've loved to hand it out restored." This changed pretty quickly though. Tearing a card up, restoring it and then tearing it up again makes that moment of magic, the moment you shared with the spectator, something special. A wonderful moment you shared and then it was over. I like the second tearing and even if I had a simple way of handing it out restored I might go with the second tearing anyway. Plus, if there are several spectators, they can each have their piece of the magic souvenir.
My first reaction when I saw the tearing of the restored card was "Well, that sucks. I would've loved to hand it out restored." This changed pretty quickly though. Tearing a card up, restoring it and then tearing it up again makes that moment of magic, the moment you shared with the spectator, something special. A wonderful moment you shared and then it was over. I like the second tearing and even if I had a simple way of handing it out restored I might go with the second tearing anyway. Plus, if there are several spectators, they can each have their piece of the magic souvenir.
I would use this version above any other since this would be something my character would use.
The fact is there are different versions out there for any type of performer. If this is not for you DON`T BUY IT. Some dudes think that whatever comes out of this site is instantly for anyone, anywhere, it´s not. Different effects need different performers.
If i got the right idea from the video i have played around with this idea a few years back when i was starting in magic. I´m glad to see someone took it to the end and it looks pretty good, although you can´t give it out to people(maybe, not sure though) you cannot perform for an audience that does not believe you. Giving props out is not something you have to do, it´s actually not that important as some make it, you give props out when it is absolutely necessary and in this case it is not so you have to deal with it.
M.
The fact is there are different versions out there for any type of performer. If this is not for you DON`T BUY IT. Some dudes think that whatever comes out of this site is instantly for anyone, anywhere, it´s not. Different effects need different performers.
If i got the right idea from the video i have played around with this idea a few years back when i was starting in magic. I´m glad to see someone took it to the end and it looks pretty good, although you can´t give it out to people(maybe, not sure though) you cannot perform for an audience that does not believe you. Giving props out is not something you have to do, it´s actually not that important as some make it, you give props out when it is absolutely necessary and in this case it is not so you have to deal with it.
M.
Honestly I can't stand the name of the product. In an attempt to sound "hip" or "cool" the author(s) have selected to use a form of net speak to name it's product. Frankly, we wouldn't tolerate someone using that spelling on the forums, so I think it's silly to name a product REF4M. Like the all caps and the number 4 makes it any cooler. I'm sure the artist is amazing, and the effect worth while, but based on the name alone, it will take me a long while to warm up to this effect. Frankly, all things else aside, if I COULD fail a product on name alone, this would be grounds for that.
How could they not remember? As there are two tearing sequences. Maybe if the magician has a Nerualizer it could work.
Same reason a spectator doesn't remember how a card was selected. The effect hasn't started yet, why would they remember? When was the last time a spectator described in detail how a card was selected? They usually start with "I chose a card, and then..."
So more often than not a spectator that sees this effect will say "He tore up the card and then..."
Ive been reading through all the comments posted on this thread about people complaining about the tear at the end. I can personally attest as i have already done this 5 times that it only makes the trick better because it leaves the spectator with a memory of an impossibility which they cannot prove. At first i never thought this would work in the real world but after trying it i will always use it as my go to impromtu effect.
I can only think...that this effect will save me lots of money in my table-hopping gigs in a long term...only one card for a T&R Plot instead of 2? this effect is practical enough just for that...
Also..this Vogt guy...is pretty funny!! and I had no idea how his last name was spelled...jejeje
Also..this Vogt guy...is pretty funny!! and I had no idea how his last name was spelled...jejeje
Hey, that's a reaally cool idea... just force a four of whatever suit and make them sign one pip each... restore it and you have another reason to tear the card again... Nice idea!!
Just for fun, 'Vogt' is an old title of nobility and means steward, governor, bailiff or lord protector in german 
I was very impressed with the new method of doing the tear and keeping many of of the pieces in plain view of the person as well this plays big I believe and best of all they still see parts of their Sig on the cards. I also was very impressed with the teaching on the DVD as well it was not a wham bam thank you m'am but slow to the point you understood every part of the moves needed. Now I see some of you seem to be a bit bothered by re-tearing of the cards at the end this dose not bother me here is why. First for years I have and still do the good old card warp which ends with tearing of the cards in the end to hide the secret I follow that up well there you go cheap souvenir from Las Vegas but still they see one card torn upside down one fold the other way and to them there is still a miracle in their minds I do my magic for the layperson never for the magician if he is fooled or entertained thats fine but its not him out to perform for. Now this one TNR seems like a wonderful street performance trick why not at the end give out all 4 parts to 4 different people each with a story to tell about how this guy torn this card up put it back together I mean there are sooo many possibly here and even if you do have to tear it up at the end so what they were what 2 feet from you the card was there in sight the whole time in their minds you did something impossible they will keep those 4 parts for the rest of their lives thinking and looking at the edges wondering how the heck you did it and best of all you may have sparked another mind to say "hey I want to start learning the art of magic" and Wham a new brother or sister in our world! I personally can not wait to see what this young man dose next but better yet I can not wait to see what kind of magician he will be when he is in his 30's or 40's imagine the card work and slights then. Top Hat off to you young man very very well done.
The beauty behind this effect is the fact that there really is no need for spectator management. There are NO angle issues...and to my knowledge, is the FIRST UNGIMMICKED TnR that can be performed completely surrounded.
In my opinion, the trailer does this effect NO justice what so ever. Seeing it in person made me realize the true potential this effect really has.
Mike
Well, I not the first, as Hoodwinked is the same method, but only tears the card in two. Angle proof a well.
I'll admit that this does look AMAZING and very CONVINCING, but the fact that the card HAS to be torn again for 'examination' really does kill it for me - don't get me wrong, I will pick up a copy myself! It's just that besides the restoration process, the souvenir-aspect of the torn and restored plot is what REALLY sells it... but since the card is torn in half, what's the justification? I did like the "spectator one signs side-A and spectator two signs side-B" that one of the members suggested, but the spectator will just be holding HALF a card (if you know what I'm saying)...