Oh, man. If only it were possible to have a spectator pick a card which you have a duplicate of and switch the cards at the end...
REF4M by Blake Vogt?
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Oh, man. If only it were possible to have a spectator pick a card which you have a duplicate of and switch the cards at the end...
True, but I would rather have the spectator sign the card.
Although, with a tnr this clean and convincing, I guess you wouldn't need to have the card signed. True, but I would rather have the spectator sign the card.
Fact: A signature is not always everything. Nearly any Torn and Restored card you can name that can be done with signed cards don't have to be signed. They work just fine on their own.
Forget the signature. You don't need to have them ingrain their identity on to every single playing card you have with a sharpie.
Just my two cents.
But how will they remember which card they selected!>!?!?!
With that said, I think REF4M looks amazing. I won't be picking this one up right away, I don't have need for another tnr, but anyone who needs a strong impromptu effect will do well to learn every nuance of this effect.
They use their brains. It's in view the entire time except for 1 second in which you change it, which could easily be deceptive with a flowing rhythm.
FYI, I love the Einstein quote there. He's my hero. (Well... One of them, anyway. A major one.)
While I do agree with a few of your points (although they're not facts), such effects such as the ACR or the coin bend perform "better" when the spectator signs the object.
I don't do a coin bend, I wouldn't know. But I don't think it matters with an ACR. Just let them pick a card from a face-up deck..
So wait...you're telling me our spectators have brains? NOOOOO!!! How ever will I fool them now!?!
Yeah, there are a few effects where signatures MAKE the effect. Most of them are card to impossible locations. Visual TnR's can do without.
Overall I think that anyone who doesn't like the effect shouldn't buy it...and everyone who likes it...should.
As for the ending, it can be made justifiable through your presentation so I see nothing wrong with it. I actually use the Mutilated Card by Russell Prunier because of it's logical (yet impossible) ending.
I will be different and say that I am fine with the tearing up at the end, but I am a bit iffy on the restoration part. In my opinion, it is not as reliable as I would like it to be. While any effect requires a lot of practice, this is one of those where it could still end up turning out less than adequate even after years of practice.
you could be really mean at the end of the effect...
"When you go and tell your friends about how you saw a magician tear a card into four pieces only to have them restore themselves one by one in front of your face, they'll never believe you. The only way they might believe you is if you handed them this restored card... (tear it up). ...Bummer."
"When you go and tell your friends about how you saw a magician tear a card into four pieces only to have them restore themselves one by one in front of your face, they'll never believe you. The only way they might believe you is if you handed them this restored card... (tear it up). ...Bummer."
Along the same lines " you know even if i gave this back to you whole (start to tear it up) whoever you told wouldn't believe you and since you all witnessed this i think it's best we all share the card" or someting like that
It's an old idea used with Card Warp and TnR effects which can't be handed out after doing it. Even if it isn't discussed on the DVD, there's nothing to it. It's been around for a long time, it's not something you need extensively discussed. Just tear the card.
I shouldn't worry about the ending. I have been doing Roy Walton's "Cardwarp" (you must destroy the evidence at the end by tearing the cards) all over the world under all conditions for 40 years now and never had any questions or suspicion. As always, it is how you present the ending as much as the rest. Done confidently and casually it appears a logical way to end. I will now add REF4M to my repertoire as it is superb, and I envisage no problems at all. So my advice is - "Don't worry". Just do it, tear at the end, say "Put these in your pocket (which gets the heat off them as they are pocketed) , take them home and see if you can restore them" as you move smoothly on to the next effect, or your farewell. Confidence is all.
no , it's not i just had this idea after learning the trick and searching for a motivation
can this trick be done with a piece of paper rather than a card?
Depends on the piece of paper. For printer/loose-leaf paper, I'm gonna say no, but there are probably people out there that can work with it.