Exposure : Why
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Well, actually it can be because of a million different reasons (well, I don't think literally), some of which could be because they feel that tricks should be for free (like music, for the lot of ye LimeWire users) or because they think they're making somebody else a favor, among many others. The bottom line is that ye won't ever know why everyone that does it does it, and, if ye want that to change, ye should start by not doing it yerself and make an example.
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like many have said before me, the only reason people expose is because either :
A) They want lots of views and many friends on youtube
B) Becasue they think there helping people who wanted to begin magic
Unfortuneatly, I started this way, learning "this 'n' that" i'm not going to say it was a bad thing that i learned it but this is the only way I could get magic started for me. I am ashamed I did it , but happy that it opened my magic career.
A) They want lots of views and many friends on youtube
B) Becasue they think there helping people who wanted to begin magic
Unfortuneatly, I started this way, learning "this 'n' that" i'm not going to say it was a bad thing that i learned it but this is the only way I could get magic started for me. I am ashamed I did it , but happy that it opened my magic career.
As much as i'm going to get flamed for this fair enough, because we all started from no where and i can imagine most of us at the time had no idea there were sites that sold this stuff. I know when i started i believed magic was this rare thing that was never recorded and had to be taught by those who performed it. so to find a few explanations on youtube, learn from them to get started, and from there you gain all your effects the proper way by purchasing them. While i never did that, i can't argue against it.
In the spirit of this thread.
Exposure of OTHER'S effects sucks... if it's your own... go nuts.
I think we should tell our tricks to more people sooner. Not to everybody all at once, but more and sooner.
I don't think the people making YouTube tutorials have a right to tell other people's tricks, but I do think that's what you get when you put your trick on a store shelf in a society where "information wants to be free". You should know that already.
The secrecy has to be there, it teaches respect for the art... but we don't need this much. We're going overboard. Chill. Embrace the new millennium, and focus on what it can bring you instead of what it can cost you.
EDIT: You know, I was just thinking something.
When I was a kid, about eight or nine, the guy at my local magic store wouldn't sell me certain things because he didn't know if I could be trusted with their secrets yet. He also pointed out that once I was sufficiently experienced, and not a day sooner, he could let me into The Other Room where the professional magicians bought the props for their stage acts. But before that, I would need to master the basic skills and demonstrate them for him, then master and demonstrate a more advanced set of skills.
We don't have gatekeepers like that anymore.
Any idiot can get on any website and order any trick.
Maybe that has something to do with this.
I don't think the people making YouTube tutorials have a right to tell other people's tricks, but I do think that's what you get when you put your trick on a store shelf in a society where "information wants to be free". You should know that already.
The secrecy has to be there, it teaches respect for the art... but we don't need this much. We're going overboard. Chill. Embrace the new millennium, and focus on what it can bring you instead of what it can cost you.
EDIT: You know, I was just thinking something.
When I was a kid, about eight or nine, the guy at my local magic store wouldn't sell me certain things because he didn't know if I could be trusted with their secrets yet. He also pointed out that once I was sufficiently experienced, and not a day sooner, he could let me into The Other Room where the professional magicians bought the props for their stage acts. But before that, I would need to master the basic skills and demonstrate them for him, then master and demonstrate a more advanced set of skills.
We don't have gatekeepers like that anymore.
Any idiot can get on any website and order any trick.
Maybe that has something to do with this.
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Um... why else would you learn magic?
What sane person invests the massive amount of time necessary to learn it, and doesn't run out to say "LOOK AT ME!" at every halfway decent opportunity?
I mean, are there people here who are learning magic as an excuse to stay home?
What sane person invests the massive amount of time necessary to learn it, and doesn't run out to say "LOOK AT ME!" at every halfway decent opportunity?
I mean, are there people here who are learning magic as an excuse to stay home?
I think ppl like Wayne should make a demand or something.
I remember about 2 years ago youtube had a legal issue and they deleted every video that has some authors rights and even today they have a control system for that kind of thing, even porn. Why dont they have the same thing for magic!? We have to do something!
I remember about 2 years ago youtube had a legal issue and they deleted every video that has some authors rights and even today they have a control system for that kind of thing, even porn. Why dont they have the same thing for magic!? We have to do something!
I honestly think that there is nothing we can do about it and the best way to deal with this situation is to ignore it.
Mitchell
The reason that people watch Youtube explinations and don't get a book from the library is because they are too lazy to get of the computer and go to the library. Also it is much faster to search for tutorials than look for a specific book that has the trick that they want to learn.
Also people make tutorials so people will subscribe to them and they try to get popular.
I refuse to believe that. As I said, 2 years ago youtube deleted all videos with copy rights (for example south park, you wont find any full episode there) and today those kind of things are not allowed. Just because a legal issue.
When I first had my hands on sinful (for example) I was so exited about it and I loved to perform it, but now when I performe it Im affraid that some1 has already seen it on youtube or will do it because he saw me.
I really think that ppl like Wayne, Jeff McBride, etc. , ppl that has release a good amount of material must do something about it!
And lets be honest, most of them are non magicians who just want to know "how do they do it". Thats the kind of ppl I want to perform, but not to know the secrets!
There's a very simple analogy for this.
What if you're performing a trick, when one of those sneaky quiet people comes up to the group at a bad angle mid-trick and says "you've got the card in your palm"?
From the posts I see about exposure on message boards, it seems like most people would throw a tantrum about it, but that's not what works. What works - and I'm sure other people with real performance experience can back me up on this - is to laugh it off and say "yeah, you're right... here, let me show you a different one".
You can't get pissy about this sort of thing. Until you're standing right there performing and someone says "I know how you do that" - you don't actually have a problem. Even then, most of the time, the people saying they know how you do it don't know how you do it, and are just trying to agitate and annoy you.
So don't get agitated and annoyed. Laugh about it. Admit and accept that magic is, after all, a pretty cheesy hobby in the first place. I know how a great many tricks are done, but I still enjoy watching them. I just watch them on a different level. And that's how most people are; when that guy says "I know how you do that", they're annoyed at him, too. I didn't come to this show to watch some jackass embarrass the magician, I came to see some magic tricks. That guy sucks.
What if you're performing a trick, when one of those sneaky quiet people comes up to the group at a bad angle mid-trick and says "you've got the card in your palm"?
From the posts I see about exposure on message boards, it seems like most people would throw a tantrum about it, but that's not what works. What works - and I'm sure other people with real performance experience can back me up on this - is to laugh it off and say "yeah, you're right... here, let me show you a different one".
You can't get pissy about this sort of thing. Until you're standing right there performing and someone says "I know how you do that" - you don't actually have a problem. Even then, most of the time, the people saying they know how you do it don't know how you do it, and are just trying to agitate and annoy you.
So don't get agitated and annoyed. Laugh about it. Admit and accept that magic is, after all, a pretty cheesy hobby in the first place. I know how a great many tricks are done, but I still enjoy watching them. I just watch them on a different level. And that's how most people are; when that guy says "I know how you do that", they're annoyed at him, too. I didn't come to this show to watch some jackass embarrass the magician, I came to see some magic tricks. That guy sucks.
Well, two days ago i was sitting in my Architectural drawing techniques class, i was doing some cuts when 2 guys approached to me.
One of them (the skinny one....) wanted me to do some magic for his friend, so i thought "why not?" his friend was a normal guy, the problem was he was expecting some magic.
When i first started my ACR routine, the skinny guy yelled "i know how you do that one" but, i smiled at him, made a joke about how he could read my mind and was a better magician than me then i continued with the routine...
The other guy wasnt really impressed with the routine so i stopped at stage 3 of
6 and the skinny guy was enjoying the magic a lot... so what is my problem? the skinny knew how to do the trick, he saw it on youtube and the other guy was a normal one.
then when i finished the skinny went from enjoying the magic to trashing it, he proceeded to explain every damn simple and improptu trick you can find on youtube... acr, sandwich tricks, hot show cut, a lot of color changes and even the asher twist @_@ so i was left only with the miracle class tricks ID, panic, indecent... etc .
It ended up with the normal guy wanting to see something really really good (which i wasnt prepared.. i usually avoid doing magic at school) and the skinny guy wanting to see how i did the tricks... and guess what ?? the skinny guy told the other guy to search on youtube for them... and both of them went to check that out @_@...
I guess you cant battle them the normal way... they even spread the word!
so i was left dumbfounded @_@
One of them (the skinny one....) wanted me to do some magic for his friend, so i thought "why not?" his friend was a normal guy, the problem was he was expecting some magic.
When i first started my ACR routine, the skinny guy yelled "i know how you do that one" but, i smiled at him, made a joke about how he could read my mind and was a better magician than me then i continued with the routine...
The other guy wasnt really impressed with the routine so i stopped at stage 3 of
6 and the skinny guy was enjoying the magic a lot... so what is my problem? the skinny knew how to do the trick, he saw it on youtube and the other guy was a normal one.
then when i finished the skinny went from enjoying the magic to trashing it, he proceeded to explain every damn simple and improptu trick you can find on youtube... acr, sandwich tricks, hot show cut, a lot of color changes and even the asher twist @_@ so i was left only with the miracle class tricks ID, panic, indecent... etc .
It ended up with the normal guy wanting to see something really really good (which i wasnt prepared.. i usually avoid doing magic at school) and the skinny guy wanting to see how i did the tricks... and guess what ?? the skinny guy told the other guy to search on youtube for them... and both of them went to check that out @_@...
I guess you cant battle them the normal way... they even spread the word!
so i was left dumbfounded @_@
Thats what I mean!!
Hey, what if we make an online petition where every magician can sign his name to stop youtube allowing that? There are many free sites where we can do that!
Hey, what if we make an online petition where every magician can sign his name to stop youtube allowing that? There are many free sites where we can do that!
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Wrong question. Why? What's in it for you? If you don't know this guy and don't expect some sort of reputation boost from him, why would you bother showing him magic?
Wherever there are cards, there is a patsy. If you don't know who the patsy is, you're the patsy.
This is a petition where we all ask Youtube and every video hosting site to stop hosting and delete every video already hosted where magicians secrets are revealed.
I know it might sound a little inocent, but we have to try!
Sign it and ask other magicians to do it so, please!
Should I make a new post?
http://www.petitiononline.com/32594442/petition.html
I know it might sound a little inocent, but we have to try!
Sign it and ask other magicians to do it so, please!
Should I make a new post?
http://www.petitiononline.com/32594442/petition.html
Or at the least the ones you have to buy!
I don't think it'll work but what the hell, I just signed. 17 total, not enough, youtube is a world wide thing!
common sense is not cool anymore, out right stupidity is!
You got that right.
I started that way, too. Don't feel ashamed.
We are dealing with intellectual property here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_rights_to_magic_methods
Finally!!! Someone tells it like it is!
You have my commendations, man.
It's not as easy as you make sound like.
Hopefully, there are not a ton of typos in my post!
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